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APOLOGIES...I went off to get my dinner....I thought the thread had finished, have just come back to find lots of extra info.

THANK YOU all so very much.

On the Certificate I have John Jnr who is getting married is a bricklayer and his father a watchmaker.

John and Jane Mary who was marrying had 4 children

James 1865
John 1867
William (my grandfather) 1869
Sarah Ann abt 1874

I do have all the info on these....so the Joh and Jane that got married
were my gt grandparents and you have all found the rest further back.

Thank you again, hope this clarifies.

Sandra x

I think so. Just my opinion.
Odd,though. Such a change in occupation. Eyesight??

Maureen

Thanks, Maureen, have just found the marriage on Ancestry - it's been playing up a bit today!

So, is the John Harvey who was a watchmaker living with his father John (also a watchmaker) in 1861 the same John Harvey who marries in 1864 as a bricklayer?

I am getting very confused! We seem to have two John Harveys. The stonemason who married Jane and the watchmaker who married Margaret!

By the way, if you look at the images for the baptisms that Chris posted, I think the year should be 1830 - the 8 in the page number is completly different and the zero in the date March 10th on the previous page is the same as the last digit in the year.

I really think we need Sandra to confirm John junior's occupation on the marriage cert and how she has got back to him.

Oops. Sorry,Potty. Why do I persist on thinking people are able to read my mind??

The marriage cert lists John (the groom) as a brick layer and father as a watch maker.

I do think that you have the correct family.

By the time I've finished typing this it'll be Wednesday morning. that's how slow I am

Maureen
~~~~~~~to Chris

1841

HARVEY, Samuel M 40 1801 Middlesex (Watch Maker)
HARVEY, Frances F 30 1811 Middlesex
HARVEY, Elizabeth F 15 1826 Middlesex
HARVEY, William M 10 1831 Middlesex
HARVEY, John M 8 1833 Middlesex
HARVEY, Thomas M 5 1836 Middlesex
HO107 Piece:
661 Book/Folio:
2/9 Page:
11

Registration District:
St James Clerkenwell Sub District:
St James Clerkenwell Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St James Clerkenwell Municipal Borough:
Finsbury Address:
King Street, St James Clerkenwell, Finsbury

(a possible brother to John senior, a Samuel Harvey was witness on 1828 Marriage)

Chris :)

Name: John Harvey
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1838
Baptism Date: 19 Mar 1838
Father's Name: John Harvey
Mother's Name: Harriot Harvey
Parish or Poor Law Union: Clerkenwell St James
Borough: Islington

(maybe an older Baptism ?, a Harriott and Sarah done same day, Fathers Occ. Watch Movement Maker, Compton Street)

Chris :)

I was wondering as well,Chris.

??????

1871 census transcription details for: Queen's Row, Shoreditch:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 457 Folio: 56 Page: 21

Reg. District: Shoreditch Sub District: Hoxton Old Town
Parish: Shoreditch Enum. District: 15
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Queen's Row, Shoreditch County: London, Middlesex

HARVEY, John Head M 43?? 1828 Middlesex
HARVEY, Jane Wife F 33 1838 Middlesex
HARVEY, John Son M 6 1865 Middlesex
HARVEY, James Son M 4 1867 Middlesex
HARVEY, William Son M 1 1870 Middlesex


He's a stone mason.

Works for me.

Maureen

Just seen your post, Maureen and not sure now if I have the correct family. Sandra, what was John junior's occupation on his marriage cert? Was he a watchmaker like his father?

Name: James William Harvey
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1866
Baptism Date: 28 Oct 1866
Father's Name: John Harvey (Labourer)
Mother's Name: Jane Mary Harvey
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney

(born 2nd Oct. 1866 4, Queens Row)

Name: William Henry Harvey
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1870
Baptism Date: 2 Jan 1870
Father's Name: John Harvey
Mother's Name: Jane Harvey
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney

(born 5th Dec. 1869, 1,Queens Row, Fathers Occ. Bricklayer)


Name: Sarah Ann Harvey
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1873
Baptism Date: 7 Sep 1873
Father's Name: John Harvey (Labourer)
Mother's Name: Jane Mary Harvey
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton Christ Church
Borough: Hackney

(born 17th Aug. 1873 Queens Row)

Not sure if these fit?...

Chris :)


1871

HARVEY, John Head M 43 1828 Middlesex St. Luke (Stone Mason)
HARVEY, Jane Wife F 33 1838 Middlesex
HARVEY, John Son M 6 1865 Middlesex
HARVEY, James Son M 4 1867 Middlesex
HARVEY, William Son M 1 1870 Middlesex

RG number:
RG10 Piece:
457 Folio:
56 Page:
21

Registration District:
Shoreditch Sub District:
Hoxton Old Town Enumeration District:
15 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Shoreditch Municipal Borough:
Address:
Queen's Row, Shoreditch County:
London, Middlesex

Sorry for jumping in late, but would Sandra be kind enough to point out the family in 1871?

I just got a little confused by the marriage of John and Jane Mary. He's a Brick layer?

Maureen

A possible marriage for John and Harriet - unfortuneately back that far there was no info on the record of occupation, address or father's name:

Name: John Harvey
Spouse Name: Harriot Euesden
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 08 Sep 1828
Parish: St Luke, Old Street
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington

Potty

Thank you sooo very much.....really kind of you to produce all that info for me.

Sandra x

1841 census
Address Haggerston Lane Acre Place
Parish St Leonard Shoreditch
District Shoreditch, Haggerstone, West
Administrative County Middlesex

Householder 1
Name John Harvey
Age 35
Estimated Year of Birth 1806
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation
Birth Place
Birth County

Householder 2
Name Harriot Harvey
Age 35
Estimated Year of Birth 1806
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation
Birth Place Middlesex
Birth County Middlesex

Householder 3
Name Harriot Harvey
Age 12
Estimated Year of Birth 1829
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Middlesex
Birth County Middlesex

Householder 4
Name John Harvey
Age 11
Estimated Year of Birth 1830
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Middlesex
Birth County Middlesex

Householder 5
Name Sarah Harvey
Age 10
Estimated Year of Birth 1831
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Middlesex
Birth County Middlesex

Householder 6
Name Charlotte Harvey
Age 9
Estimated Year of Birth 1832
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Middlesex
Birth County Middlesex

Householder 7
Name Mary Harvey
Age 8
Estimated Year of Birth 1833
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Middlesex
Birth County Middlesex

Householder 8
Name Caroline Harvey
Age 7
Estimated Year of Birth 1834
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Middlesex
Birth County Middlesex

Householder 9
Name James Harvey
Age 4
Estimated Year of Birth 1837
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Middlesex
Birth County Middlesex

Householder 10
Name Ann Harvey
Age 2
Estimated Year of Birth 1839
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Middlesex
Birth County Middlesex



john senior occupation on census watchmaker

1841:

1841 England Census
about Harriet Harvey
Name: Harriet Harvey
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston West
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 705
Book: 3
Folio: 39
Page Number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
John Harvey 35
Harriet Harvey 35
Harriet Harvey 12
John Harvey 11
Sarah Harvey 10
Charlotte Harvey 9
Mary Harvey 8
Caroline Harvey 7
James Harvey 4
Ann Harvey 2

I think Harriet was Harriet Euesden but I cannot view the marriage to confirm. The birth cert of Ann would confirm it.

Thank you Potty, yet another generation....that is great.

Regards

Sandra x

1851:

1851 England Census
about John Harvey
Name: John Harvey
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harrt Harvey
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Bow, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Luke Old Street
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: St Luke
Sub-registration district: Old Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 137
Piece: 1520
Folio: 223
Page Number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
John Harvey 45
Harrt Harvey 44
Harrt Harvey 22
Charlotte Harvey 19
Elizh Harvey 16
James Harvey 13
Mary Harvey 11
Farney Harvey 9
Wm Harvey 8
Jane Harvey 5
Emma Harvey 9 MO

Thank you Potty

Yes, you could be right, thank you very much

Sandra x

This looks like them in 1961 - both watchmakers; John Snr born St Lukes:

1861 England Census
Name: John Harvey
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Harvey
Gender: Male
Where born: St Lukes, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Islington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 59
Piece: 144
Folio: 52
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
John Harvey 55
John Harvey 31
James Harvey 22
Jane Harvey 16

Given the place of marriage, could this be John Senior:

1881 England Census
about John Harvey
Name: John Harvey
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret Harvey
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Clerkenwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 5 Upper Smith Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Watchmaker

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Goswell Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 357
Folio: 92
Page Number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
John Harvey 51
Margaret Harvey 52
Elizabeth Harvey 25
Lydia Harvey 16
Benjamin Thomas 23


Edit - from info given, looks more like John Jnr. Did he marry twice?