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Have come to a bit of a brick wall and was wondering if anyone on here may be researching the same branch as me?

My great grandad Joseph Rosenberg was born in Swansea, 1893. By 1911 he was training to be an engraver in Birmingham, and I pretty much know what happened to him after that. It's the rest of his family I'm intrigued by.

His parents:

Hyam Rosenberg (also recorded as Hyman, Henry, and bizarrely as Joseph on his son's wedding certificate). Born c1840 Poland. Jewish. A glazier by trade, got married in 1892, aged 51, at East London Synagogue, Mile End Old Town, London to Freda Schadoff (also transcribed as Freada Schadowf/Chadowf). Hyam died of blood poisoning in 1902 after cutting himself on glass and contracting gangrene. His wife Freda, born 1871 in Lapland, died in 1904 of heart disease aged 33.

This is where I'm looking for help - they also had 2 daughters:
- Sarah Beatrice b1895
- Bertha Fanny born either 1898 or 1901

I'd love to know what became of them so if anyone is researching this branch, I'd be very grateful and keen to hear from you or anyone else who can help.

Regards
Craig

This must be Bertha:

Births Sep 1898 (>99%)
ROSENBERG Bertha Fanny Swansea 11a 993

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great start, thanks!

Unmarried here and a Glazier.

1871 Wales Census
about Hyan Rosenberry
Name: Hyan Rosenberry
[Hyam Rosenberg]
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Boarder **********
Gender: Male
Where born: Poland, Russia
Civil parish: Swansea
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity and Swansea
Town: Swansea
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Swansea
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 144
Piece: 5455
Folio: 20
Page Number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Davis 54
Theresa Penhorwood 31
James Davis 23
William Davis 17
James Penhorwood 7
Sarah A Penhorwood 3
William Penhorwood 1
Hyan Rosenberry 31

Name: ROSENBERG, Sarah Beatrice
Registration District: Swansea
County: Glamorganshire
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 11A
Page No: 1046

1891 Wales Census
about Hyam Rosenberg
Name: Hyam Rosenberg
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Russia

Civil parish: Swansea
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Swansea
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage UNMARRIED**********

Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Swansea
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4479
Folio: 78
Page Number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Hyam Rosenberg 51

Marriage.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Hyam Rosenberg
Name: Hyam Rosenberg
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1892
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 637



Jacob Bandit Jan-Feb-Mar 1892 Mile End Old Town London

Rose Goldstein Jan-Feb-Mar 1892 Mile End Old Town London

**** Hyam Rosenberg Jan-Feb-Mar 1892 Mile End Old Town London

****Freda Schadowf Jan-Feb-Mar 1892 Mile End Old Town London

Freda Schadowy Jan-Feb-Mar 1892 Mile End Old Town London

I can't see a trace of the girls after 1901. I do see the problem with bertha as she has been recorded as 1 month old in 1901, strange that!
Jan

The date of birth of this lady does tie in with the birth qtr
Name: Sarah ROSENBERG
Date of departure: 22 February 1958
Port of departure: Southampton
Passenger destination port: New York, USA
Passenger destination: New York, USA

Date of Birth: 19 April 1895
Age: 63 (calculated from DOB)
Marital status: Single
Sex: Female
Occupation: Housewife
Passenger recorded on: Page 15 of 23




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Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
QUEEN ELIZABETH

C S Williams

New York, USA




previous address in UK 156 Stamford Hill London N16

County of future residence England so seems she was just visiting

Could this be Sarah Beatrice in 1911? (pob Swansea)

HOUSEHOLD ROSEMBERG BEATRICE F 1896 15 Bethnal Green London

Thanks for all suggestions so far.

Yes I was confused as to why she was recorded as 1 month old on 1901 census.
Shirley - very interesting regarding passenger list. Wonder if it's the same Sarah - she's listed as single, so maybe

Good find Christina.

In full:

COHN, Bernhard Head Married M 46 1865 Tailor Cutter Russia Resident VIEW
COHN, Johanna Wife Married
22 years F 47 1864 Russia Resident VIEW
COHN, Simon Son Single M 20 1891 Cap Cutter London Whitechapel VIEW
COHN, Fanny Daughter Single F 18 1893 Milliner London Mile End VIEW
COHN, Charles Son Single M 16 1895 Tailor Trimmer London Mile End VIEW
COHN, Sarah Daughter F 12 1899 London Mile End VIEW
ROSEMBERG, Beatrice Cousin Single F 15 1896 Apprentice Swansea Wales VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1432 Reference:
RG14PN1432 RG78PN50 RD17 SD2 ED15 SN2

Registration District:
Bethnal Green Sub District:
Bethnal Green South West Enumeration District:
15 Parish:
Bethnal Green

Address:
177 Cambridge Road Bethnal Green County:
London

RG14PN1432 RG78PN50 RD17 SD2 ED15 SN2

Reg. District: Bethnal Green Sub District: Bethnal Green South West
Parish: Bethnal Green Enum. District: 15
Address: 177 Cambridge Road Bethnal Green
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born


COHN, Bernhard Head Married M 46 1865 Tailor Cutter Russia Resident
COHN, Johanna Wife Married
22 years F 47 1864 Russia Resident
COHN, Simon Son Single M 20 1891 Cap Cutter London Whitechapel
COHN, Fanny Daughter Single F 18 1893 Milliner London Mile End
COHN, Charles Son Single M 16 1895 Tailor Trimmer London Mile End
COHN, Sarah Daughter F 12 1899 London Mile End
ROSEMBERG, Beatrice Cousin Single F 15 1896 Apprentice Swansea Wales

Wow Christina, great find - thanks BrummieJan and Helen for expanding on that. Now, it says 'cousin' - i wonder if it's the cousin of the children or actually of the head of house...

Just remembered I had Sarah's birth certificate - her date of birth is 20/05/1895 so it doesn't match up with the lady on the ship's list.
Still, feel like headway is being made!

I can't see a marriage for Bernhard and Johanna - someone who has higher Ancestry membership might be able to find parish record, either for than or this birth, to see what Johanna's name is:

Births Dec 1890 (>99%)
Cohn Simon Whitechapel 1c 282

Jan

I thought I may have found Bertha on 1911 census, listed as niece, but her place of birth is recorded as London, not Swansea

Household information
Address 51 Sunbury Buildings Bethnal Green E
Parish Bethnal Green
Town E
Type of Building Model Dwellings 1 Block 80 Flats
Number of Rooms Two Rooms
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN1448 RG78PN50 RD17 SD2 ED31 SN51
Administrative County London
Registration District Bethnal Green
Registration Sub District Bethnal Green South West
Enumeration District 31
Householder 1
Name Morris Jacobs
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married / Years
Gender M
Age 25
Estimated Year of Birth 1886
Occupation Cabinet Maker
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Russia Resident
Nationality Russian

Householder 2
Name Kitty Jacobs
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Condition / Years Married / Years
Total Children Born Alive 2
Children Still Living 2
Gender F
Age 26
Estimated Year of Birth 1885
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth London Mile End

Householder 3
Name Julius Morris Jacobs
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Condition / Years Married / Years
Gender M
Age 4
Estimated Year of Birth 1907
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth London Bethnal Green

Householder 4
Name Beatrice Jacobs
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Gender F
Age 6 Month
Estimated Year of Birth 1911
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth London Bethnal Green

Householder 5
Name Bertha Rosenberg
Relationship to Head of Household Niece
Gender F
Age 14
Estimated Year of Birth 1897
Occupation School
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth London Bethnal Green

probably wont find parish records for Simon Cohn as may well be Jewish and those records arent online.

He doesn't show up on Ancestry other than the birth GRO ref

I did however find his WW1 records and got distracted. He was sentenced to 5 years for desertion. Went AWOL in 1918.