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Joseph

Right names, right dates

Thanks

Steve

Maybe ??

Baptisms: 2 Mar 1879 Zion Free Gospel Chapel, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William John Dobson - Son of John William Dobson & Ellen
Baptised by: W. Sanderson
Register: Baptisms 1845 - 1895, Page 98, Entry 8
Source: LDS Film 1595373

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England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about William J Dobson
Name: William J Dobson
Birth Date: abt 1879
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1957
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Liverpool North
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10d
Page: 389

Thanks for all your help!

Name: Samuel B Dobson
Birth Date: abt 1893
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1955
Age at Death: 62
Registration district: Liverpool North
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10d
Page: 120

His marriage is on freebmd.........you can find the info, then look for possible offspring on the same site, or on lancsbmd

website is
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk

loads of info on your family.

You can then go to
http://www.freebmd.org.uk

To find the GRO index numbers or can order directly via lancs bmd.

You could try
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
I think William John's baptism is on there

good luck, have to go now

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

Pam

Thanks, all new info to me. Where can you see LancsBMD, that's new to me as well.

Really useful stuff, thanks again

Steve

Blimey! poor old Henry didn't last long? Thanks!!

Looks promising from lancsbmd
Births
1882 DOBSON Ellen E Kirkdale Liverpool KIRK/33/44
1885 DOBSON Herbert S Kirkdale Liverpool KIRK/48/27
1893 DOBSON Samuel B Kirkdale Liverpool KIRK/84/3

Marriages
1903 DOBSON Ellen E BIRCH Henry Kirkdale, St. Mary Liverpool 2013WD/24/158
1905 DOBSON William J WILLIAMS Clara Everton, St. Chad Liverpool 2091WD/1/183
1907 DOBSON Arthur G LUCAS Letitia West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/234/36
1907 DOBSON Herbert BELL Margaret West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/234/140
1913 DOBSON Minnie JONES Albert W West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/287/115

Here you go........

Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
Birch Henry W. Derby 8b 725
Dobson Ellen Esther W. Derby 8b 725

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Deaths Dec 1905 (>99%)
BIRCH Henry 25 W.Derby 8b 208

PricklyHolly

That's spot on and confirms a story I've been told.

Thanks

Steve

I was going to submit a correction for the 1911 census but couldn't find a Cronley/Dobson marriage.

So it would seem then that Ellen Ester had married before...

Marriages Sep 1908 (>99%)
BIRCH Ellen Esther W. Derby 8b 1033
CRONLEY John W. Derby 8b 1033

The brothers I'm interested in, I've just rechecked my scribbles and they are as follows:-

William John Dobson born c1879

Arthur George Dobson born c1880

Herbert Stephen Dobson born c1885

Samuel Benjimin Dobson born c1893

Thanks in advance

PricklyHolly

You've jogged my memory. My Herbert was a Herbert Stephen Dobson.

Cheers

Steve

Barry

Yes this is the man I think became John William Dobson at the time of the Franco-Prussian war. He appears as John V Dobson in the 1871 census, living with his widowed mother and two elder sisiters in Parron Street, West Derby. He then vanishes and appears to be replaced by a John William Dobson who appears in Kelly/Gores directories from about 1876 onwards. It's that mystery I'm trying to solve, because I'm convinced they're one and the same person. John Vorweg born Whitechapel 1855 and all John William's records such as marriage cert show he was born in Whitechapel in 1855.

The original image of the 1911 gives the name Cronley and not Crowley.

A transcripion error as with the ages for John and Minnie.

I can's seem to find a Samuel or Arthur Dobson in the 1911 census.......

This is the only Herbert i can find born in Liverpool.

1911 census - household transcription
Person: DOBSON, Herbert Boyce
Address: Gill Moss House West Derby Liverpool


DAVIES, Robert James Head Married M 54 1857 Pensioner Carriage Inspector Essex Stratford VIEW
DAVIES, Emily Catherine Wife Married
35 years F 53 1858 Hertford VIEW
DAVIES, Annie May Daughter Single F 23 1888 Lancs Liverpool VIEW
DOBSON, Herbert Boyce Boarder Single M 27 1884 Farmer Poultry Lancs Liverpool VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22353 Reference:
RG14PN22353 RG78PN1320 RD455 SD3 ED5 SN148

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
Fazakerley Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
West Derby Rural

Address:
Gill Moss House West Derby Liverpool County:
Lancashire

Thanks for the info.

I've already seen the 1911 census and it's transcription is iffy to say the least. Ellen Dobson married a man named CRONLEY not Crowley, I know because I've been in contact with a Gt Grandson of hers. John William was 57 not 87 and Minnies age was 10 in 1901 and 30 (or 20) by 1911.

It's the brothers who have left home between 1901 and 1911 that I'm interested in, to see if they have any livinf relatives who may know of a family story that confirms my belief that John William Dobson and John Vorweg Dobson are one and the same person

Cheers

Steve

Birth - Whitechapel Q2 1855 - free BMD

John Vorwerg Dobson ref 1c 373