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might send for the certificate anyway
best wishes all
zena

no leopold ogden on 1911

The Leopold Edward Ogden in the Ancestry tree is def. the one born above. Question is - is he the same person as Leopold Francis?
jan

hi all just checked on ancestry seems someone has him (leo ogden) married to an australian who died in australia so prob not same person but not counting out completely
thanks all
zena
x

Maybe not. Adoption wasn't "official" until the 1920s. Maybe the Ogdens were family, friends or neighbours and young Leopold was taken in by the Francis family for some reason.

Jill

i was just thinking that. it would say on the birth certificate wouldnt it?
zena

Perhaps young Leopold Ogden was adopted? If he was their only child and they had already been married for 6 years when he was born it sort of fits.

Jill

No problem, just glad you agree!
I can't see any births to this marriage on Freebmd. So I am just going to speculate that Leopold Ogden is a possible foster child? Are you able to look for him 1911 if only to exclude him?
Might be worth contacting the tree holder on Ancestry to see what else they might know.
Jan

Sorry Jan, missed your post about the age being wrong on the census.

Kath. x

I agree Kath - see above! Hence put Ogden birth as I can't see his birth entry anywhere. But can't make sense of that really!
Having said that, I can't see that Leopold Ogden in 1911? He was born 5th May according to an Ancestry tree, but unfortunately they have no parents for him, so not possible to exclude/consider on that basis.

Jan

Looking at the 1911 census image I think the age for Leopold has been mis-transcribed. I think it says he is 1 year and 11 months old.
Kath. x

thanks jan i'll give it a go
zena x :-D

This is the best I have but makes no sense really:

Births Jun 1909 (>99%)
Ogden Leopold Edward Birmingham 6d 41

williams marraige
BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: FRANCIS, William
Registration District: Help Birmingham
County: Warwickshire
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 6D
Page No: Help 314
MarriageFinder™: William Francis married one of the following people Help


ASHMORE, Rosina view record

this is her 1st marriage i think she went on to marry philip john dawson on 18/10/1914 i just wondered what happened to the little boy thanks for looking
zena :-D

Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
Ashmore Rosina Birmingham 6d 314
Francis William Birmingham 6d 314
Taylor Mark Birmingham 6d 314

I think leopold is maybe 1 year 11months??

yes thats them jan

Just putting to clarify. Maybe he was born under a different surname:

FRANCIS, William Head Married M 28 1883 Waiter Warickshire Birmingham VIEW
FRANCIS, Roseina Wife Married
8 years F 28 1883 At Home Warickshire Birmingham VIEW
FRANCIS, Leopold Edward Son Married M 17 1894 Warickshire Birmingham VIEW
ASHMORE, Doris Sister In Law F 12 1899 School Warickshire Birmingham VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18112 Reference:
RG14PN18112 RG78PN1098 RD384 SD4 ED9 SN262

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
St Martin Enumeration District:
9 Parish:
Birmingham

Address:
28 Sutton Street Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

please would someone check details for leopold
i have him on the 1911 census with his parents but age is a bit strange
also i cant find a birth for him
parents william francis born 1883 married 8 years to
roseina born 1883
son leopold edward age 17 born 1894
birmingham warwickshire
thanks zena :-)