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Gosh you lot, you have been busy :-D

I'll read through all the extra info today and try to get my little grey cells around it all.

No doubt I'll be back with questions :-S

Thanks again

Sue

Well done Sylvia.

I think the problem started because of the way the enumerator wrote his "U" for unmarried. On the image it does look like a "W" for widower.

On the census where the 17 year old Thomas is down as nephew - proving your theory - you say it is the 1851 census but it is actually the 1861 census.

Kath. x

possible marriage of ruth
Groom's Name: William Angell
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Ruth Higgs
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 07 Nov 1813
Marriage Place: St. James Parish, Bristol, Gloucester, England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01054-9
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1596541
Reference Number: it1 vP p70 rn210

1841
Name Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

SMITH, Elizabeth F 65 1776 Somerset VIEW
SMITH, Mary F 55 1786 Somerset VIEW
SMITH, James M 30 1811 Somerset VIEW
SMITH, Mary F 30 1811 Somerset VIEW
SMITH, Edward M 9 1832 Somerset VIEW
SMITH, Maria F 7 1834 Somerset VIEW
SMITH, Helen F 3 1838 Somerset VIEW
TAYLOR, Elizabeth F 30 1811 Somerset VIEW
TAYLOR, Charlotte F 5 1836 Somerset VIEW
HAINES, Ann F 70 1771 Somerset VIEW
**ANGELL, Thomas M 30 1811 VIEW
**ANGELL, Ruth F 40 1801 VIEW
ROWLINGS, William M 60 1781 Somerset VIEW
ROWLINGS, Ann F 50 1791 Somerset VIEW
RG number:
HO107 Piece:
970 Book/Folio:
5/42 Page:
13

Registration District:
Bath Sub District:
Walcot Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Walcot Municipal Borough:
Bath Address:
Gay's Buildings, Walcot, Bath County:
Somersetshire

looks like it Jax


but I can't connect William and Thomas (b.ca 1819)



sylvia

could this be the marrriage of William and Eliza?

Marriages Dec 1843 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Angell William Bath 11 56
Clark Eliza Bath 11 56

1851 census - household transcription
Person: ANGELL, Thomas
Address: 6, Gays Buildings, Walcot, Bath



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ANGELL, Ruth Head Widow F 56 1795 Seamstress
Yate
Gloucestershire VIEW
ANGELL, Thomas Son Unmarried M 35 1816 Porter
Wickwar
Gloucestershire VIEW
ANGELL, Thomas Grand Son M 7 1844 Scholar
Bath
Somerset VIEW

I can't see a connection between a William Angell and Thomas Angell b.ca 1819.





sylvia

YES!


look at the 1851 Census

Name: Thomas Angell
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Nephew <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Male
Where born: Bath, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Walcot
Ecclesiastical parish: Walcot St Swithin
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Walcot

Thomas Angell 43
Susan Angell 35
Ruth Angell 65
Thomas Angell 17
Jane Angell 3
Eliza Angell 2
Jane Brown 41



we're looking for a marriage that didn't exist because Thomas is NOT the father of Thomas!




There is this baptism on beta.familysearch

www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records


record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Thomas Angel
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 20 Oct 1844
baptism/christening place: Holy Trinity, Bath, Somerset, England
father's name: William Angel
mother's name: Eliza
indexing project (batch) number: C00250-0
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1526166




sylvia

Did you notice that Thomas b. ca 1819 is shown on the 1851 Census as UNMARRIED?


Did he have a brother(s)?


If so could Thomas b. ca 1844 be the child of one of those brothers


ie, still the Grandson of Ruth, but NOT Thomas' child?





sylvia

It's not a cheap hobby, is it? :-)

Kath. x

I was guessing that may be the case, thanks for your help, roll on payday..lol

Sue

I think the best bet is to buy the son's birth certificate.

Kath. x

Esther?
?
1841 England Census
Thomas Angle
Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male Civil parish: Twerton Hundred: Wellow County/Island: Somerset Country: England
Registration district: Bath Sub-registration district: Twerton
Piece: 961 Book: 14 Folio: 5 Page Number: 3

John Davis 30
Sarah Davis 25
Thomas Davis 3
Martha Davis 1
Thomas Angle 20
Esther Angle 20
John Angle 1

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 961; Book: 14; Civil Parish: Twerton; County: Somerset; Enumeration District: 1; Folio: 5; Page: 3; Line: 1; GSU roll: 474605.

Marriages Mar 1840
ANGLE Thomas Bath 11 25
BARBER Elizabeth Bath 11 25
BOLWELL James Bath 11 25
DEVERALL Esther Bath 11 25
HIBBERT Amelia Bath 11 25
SKUSE Isaac Bath 11 25


Added:
NO, she is still there in later censuses.

Buy the marriage certificate for the wife's name (and her Father's name, etc)

This looks like the son's birth (the certificate will name his mother):-

Name: ANGELL, Thomas
Registration District: Bath
County: Somerset
Year of Registration: 1844
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 11
Page No: 31

Kath. x

Can someone help with a marriage please?

Thomas was born c1819 in Wickwar, GLOS. he had a son Thomas born c 1844 in Bath, somerset.

On the 1851 census Thomas is living with his son Thomas and his mother Ruth In Bath and was a widower.

There is a marriage in 1840 ref 11 25 in Bath BUT I cannot find out who the wife was. This first wife had obviously died prior to 1851. NB Angell was noted as Angle just to confuse matters.

Thomas remarried in Bath to Susan Tucker in 1856 5c 1087.

There are deaths for Mary Jane Angell in Bath 1846
also Martha Angell in Bath 1847 and Ann Angell in Bath in 1850

Can anyone please locate the first wife's name because I am stuck!!

I hope that I have given enough info.

Thanks

Sue