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8 Aug 2011 11:45 |
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I've found a marriage for Stephen to Ann Harrison (6 Apr 1828), and the baptisms of the children. I think I've found Stephen's christening, 11 Oct 1789 at All Saints, Wakefield. His parents were Stephen and Selina, so this seems to tie in. There is a marriage for Stephen to Selina Cotton on 18 July 1780 at St James', Westminster, London.
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8 Aug 2011 11:00 |
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Hi, This is really great help, I thought that Bell was just too common to get this much detail. I've found Agnes' death in Jun Q 1897 registered in Bradford. So it seems very possible that William did get married again. I found Stephen Bell's death in Sep Q 1853 in Leeds.
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5 Aug 2011 17:25 |
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1851 England Census about William Bell Name: William Bell Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Relation: Son Father's name: Stephen Bell Mother's name: Ann Bell Gender: M (Male) Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Leeds Ecclesiastical parish: Leeds Town: Leeds County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image Registration district: Leeds Sub-registration district: North Leeds ED, institution, or vessel: 2i Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 11 Piece: 2320 Folio: 641 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age Stephen Bell 61 >>> Tailor Ann Bell 46 William Bell 12 Elizabeth Bell 8 Eliza Bell 6 1841 England Census about William Bell Name: William Bell Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Gender: Male Where born: Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Leeds Town Hundred: Leeds Borough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: Leeds Sub-registration district: Leeds North Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1347 Book: 6 Folio: 18 Page Number: 29 Household Members: Name Age Stephen Bell 50 >> Tailor Ann Bell 35 Selina Bell 12 Stephen Bell 6 William Bell 4
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5 Aug 2011 17:21 |
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1901 England Census about William Bell Name: William Bell Age: 63 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Louisa Bell Gender: Male Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Leeds Ecclesiastical parish: Leeds St Mary Town: Leeds County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Leeds Sub-registration district: North Leeds ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 234 Piece: 4222 Folio: 168 Page Number: 36 Household Members: Name Age William Bell 63 >>> IRON MOULDER Louisa Bell 56 James H Atkinson 28 Alice Meadow 22 West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about William Bell Name: William Bell >>> MOULDER and a Widower Birth Year: abt 1838 Age: 59 Marriage or Bann Date: 11 Dec 1897 Parish: Upper Armley Father's name: Stephen Bell >> Tailor Spouse's Name: Lowisa Hargreaves Spouse's Father's Name: George Robinson Witnesses were Tom and Elizabeth Manning.
Now did Agnes die and William remarry???
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5 Aug 2011 17:14 |
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Can't find a 1861 census to fit for Agnes.
William in 1851; there are a few that could fit him....... however it would be best to order his marriage certificate to Agnes to find their fathers names and the witnesses maybe of help too.
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5 Aug 2011 16:44 |
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Hi,
think this maybe Agnes in 1841;
1841 England Census about Agnes Winson Name: Agnes Winson Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Gender: Female Where born: Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Leeds Hundred: Leeds Borough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: Leeds Sub-registration district: Leeds West Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1346 Book: 4 Folio: 30 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Mary Ann Firth 30 Harriet Southren 20 Agnes Winson 5 Address is Bow Court, Sovereign Street.
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5 Aug 2011 11:56 |
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Hi Thanks for this. I have found William's baptism record, it's for the 27 Sep 1863, so it fits inbetween their marriage and Alfred's birth. It happened in Chorlton-upon-Medlock, which answers why he had Manchester as his place of birth on the censuses. I think I've found William Snr on the 1861 census, living in Chorlton, as a boarder. He's born in Leeds and working as an iron moulder. I'm having trouble before that though. Also on Agnes' side, I seem to have found her on the 1851 census:
James McGuire 50 Engineer Manchester Agnes McGuire 52 Marsden Hannah daug 28 Manchester John son 19 Hunslet, Yorkshire Ann daug 16 Leeds Jane daug 15 Leeds Selina daug 12 Leeds James son 10 Hull Agnes Windsor Granddaughter 15 Leeds
There is an Agnes Windsor on the 1861 census, but she's born and living in London area. I can't find her brith or baptism anywhere. If anyone can help me with any of this, I'd be very grateful
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4 Aug 2011 19:47 |
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Name: Henry Bell Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: Baptism/Christening Place: Birth Date: 31 Oct 1870 Birthplace: Waterford, Ireland Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: William Bell Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Agnes Windsor Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01223-8 System Origin: Ireland-EASy Source Film Number: 101218 Reference Number: v 19-2 p 676
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4 Aug 2011 19:46 |
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Name: Edward Bell Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: Baptism/Christening Place: Birth Date: 31 Oct 1870 Birthplace: Waterford, Ireland Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: William Bell Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Agnes Windsor Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01223-8 System Origin: Ireland-EASy Source Film Number: 101218 Reference Number: v 19-2 p 677
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4 Aug 2011 19:03 |
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Have you looked at the 1901 census for William and Maria?
Edward born Ireland is with them!!!!
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4 Aug 2011 18:30 |
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Possible marriage for William and Agnes;
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Jun 1862 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>Bell William Leeds 9b 412 Townsley Joseph Leeds 9b 412 Watson Martha Leeds 9b 412 >>>>>Windsor Agnes Leeds 9b 412
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4 Aug 2011 17:34 |
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West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about Selina Bell Name: Selina Bell Birth Year: abt 1869 Age: 20 Marriage or Bann Date: 25 Dec 1889 Parish: Manningham, St Jude Father's name: William Bell >> Moulder Spouse's Name: Edwin Ramsden Spouse's Father's Name: William Henry Ramsden 1 wtness was William Bell.
Now I can send this marriage image to you so you could maybe look at the signature..... it may match your Williams?? If you want the image send me a PM (private message) by clicking onto my board name.
Dee x
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4 Aug 2011 17:30 |
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Looking at baptisms I note that Alfreds is the first.. yet William was supposedly born first!!! So is his birthplace on the 1881 census wrong??
West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Alfred Bell Name: Alfred Bell Birth Date: 3 Mar 1865 Parish: Leeds, St Peter (Leeds Parish Church) Baptism Date: 12 Nov 1865 Father's name: William Bell >> Occupation; Moulder Mother's name: Agnes Bell Address; Charles Street
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4 Aug 2011 17:18 |
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1891 England Census about William Bell Name: William Bell Age: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Agnes Bell Gender: Male Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Holbeck Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas Town: Holbeck County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address: 2 St James Place
Occupation:Iron Moulder
Condition as to marriage:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Holbeck Sub-registration district: Holbeck ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3670 Folio: 109 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age William Bell 51 Agnes Bell 52 Henry Bell 20 Edward Bell 20 William snr in 1881 gives a birth place of Sheffield......... area in this census looks VERY good!!!
EDIT>>>>>The twins Henry and Edward were born in Ireland........ so we maybe won't find them on the 1871 census
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4 Aug 2011 17:15 |
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Just going to look at this family;
1881 England Census about William Bell Name: William Bell Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation: Son Father's name: William Bell Mother's name: Agnes Bell Gender: Male Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Leeds County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address: 10 Belmont St Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Mechanic (22.2) Registration district: Leeds Sub-registration district: North Leeds ED, institution, or vessel: 48 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4520 Folio: 95 Page Number: 27 Household Members: Name Age William Bell 42 >> Iron Moulder Agnes Bell 40 William Bell 18 >> Mechanic Alfred Bell 17 Selina Bell 13 Henry (Twin) Bell 10 Edward (Twin) Bell 10
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4 Aug 2011 17:12 |
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Hi Victoria,
sorry struggling to see anything prior to the 1891 census. I wonder if Williams mother had him prior to marriage and he gave the name of his father to save face??
Dee x
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4 Aug 2011 16:38 |
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The witnesses were James Baul and George 'Benson' (it looks like)
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4 Aug 2011 16:35 |
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Hi, Thank you! I've only found evidence of 4 children though, so anything on the other one would be good. I know that 'Violet's real first name was Alice. I believe she was working as a servant on the 1911 census in Salford. Henrietta was boarding at a house in Manchester, and working as a machinist. :-)
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4 Aug 2011 16:31 |
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Who were the witnesses on the marriage certificate?
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4 Aug 2011 16:28 |
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Name: Maria Dell Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: William Dell Gender: Female Where born: Ripon, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Holbeck Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Holbeck Sub-registration district: Holbeck ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3670 Folio: 126 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age William Dell 27 Maria Dell 23 Elizabeth Baul 18
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