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Ive already done the shouting thing, now Im dreaming about them at night!!! Soooooooooooooo annoying!!! Think I will have to move on, then come back to it, hate it beating me tho!

Thanks for your help.

sorry not finding them any further back in time

I have the same problem with my great great grandmother who "appears" just before her marriage to my 2 x great grandfather.

her father's name and details were either fictitious or he was a naughty boy, as the only chap that seems to match already had a family :-0 and she doesn't ever appear with them, or a possible mother, nor have I ever found her birth cert

no amount of trawling t'internet or local archives have turned the definate answer as yet

have a go at another part of your tree for now and come back to them another time ;-) you could also try shouting at them and tell them to ruddy well help, I do frequently :-D

Looks like its going to remain a mystery then! :-S

Nudge

Hi Tempest, your second post looks more like my Ruth. This has driven me mad over last three nights, thinking of every possibility!

I'm off to bed now, too tired to do anymore. My husband doesn't 'get' why I get so worked up about needing to find out MORE!

Thanks Debi.

poss Ruth's marriage

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
about Ruth Foster Name: Ruth Foster
Birth Year: abt 1828
Age: 21
Marriage or Bann Date: 25 Dec 1849
Parish: Leeds, St Peter (Leeds Parish Church)
Father's name: Joseph Foster (clothier)
Spouse's Name: Daniel Longbottom (cordwainer)
Spouse's Father's Name: John Longbottom (clothier)


address given as Wortley

only baptism I can see for a Ruth Pickard

West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Ruth Pickard Name: Ruth Pickard
Birth Date: 28 Dec 1826
Parish: Calverley, St Wilfred
Baptism Date: 15 Apr 1827
Father's name: Charles Pickard
Mother's name: Mary Pickard

Forgot to add that I also looked at the possibility that Joseph married a Pickard, but there was none!

The children could all be theirs except the last one...grandchild?

They married in 1812
Elizabeth 1815
Joseph 1819
Mary Ann 1822
Naomi 1824
MARTHA 1826
Ruth 1829
George 1837

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Right, now for another puzzle that has driven me nuts over the last three nights!

Samuel Barraclough- 1830 married Martha Pickard Foster- 1826. SEE ABOVE.

Samuels father was John Stead- c1810 and mother Hannah Barraclough- 1810 (they werent married when Samuel was born, but later married)

Hannah Barrcloughs father was William Barraclough c1710.

Now I'm quite happy with that side, its Marthas side which is a puzzle!!!

Martha has her father down as a Joseph Foster on her banns.

On the 1841 census I have the following information:

Joseph Foster 50 Clothier
Mary Foster 50 School mistress
Joseph Foster 22 Clothier -BAPTISM 22/03/1818 making him 23
Mary Ann Foster 15 Flax worker - BAPTISM 02/04/1822 making her 13
Naomi Foster 15 Flax worker - BAPTISM 28/03/1824 making her 17
Martha Pickard 15 Flax Worker
Ruth Pickard 13 Flax Worker
George Mathewman 4

Joseph and Mary married 15th March 1812 and have another daughter Elizabeth Foster, baptism 14/05/1815.

There was a few marriages to chose from, but I chose the marriage of Mary Matthewman, as there is a George Mathewman living with them in 1841.

Now, why are they all Fosters, then two Pickards and one Mathewman???

I have gone down the grandchildren route, searched the siblings to see if they married someone with the surnames to no avail!!!

YET, Martha names herself as Martha Pickard Foster and her father as Joseph Foster on the parish banns. WHY???

I can not find any baptism records for her or Ruth Pickard!!!

In 1851 Mary foster is widowed and living with Samuel and Martha Barraclough and down as mother in law, age 62. she is not with them in 1861...died.

If anyone can shed some light please do.

BIG THANKS

Debi,

Debi

What are you looking for now is'nt that her baptism and parents marraige?

so the birth cert you need is the 1852 one

jax

nudge

mmm...that fits a bit better and my theory of Samuels mother (Hannah Barraclough) being unmarried would fit, as he gives his fathers name as JOHN STEAD!

The job fits better too, the other Samuel with mary was a mechanic.

:-)

what about this one??

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
about Martha Pickard Foster Name: Martha Pickard Foster
Birth Year: abt 1826
Age: 23
Marriage or Bann Date: 13 Aug 1849
Parish: Morley, St Peter
Father's name: Joseph Foster
Spouse's Name: Samuel Barrowclough
Spouse's Father's Name: John Stead


Name: Samuel Barrowclough
Birth Year: abt 1828
Age: 21
Marriage or Bann Date: 13 Aug 1849


Samuel, Joseph and John are all weavers

Samuel Barrowclough's fathers name is John Stead on the cert

Maybe they did not marry ?

jax

I just found that jax!

But now I cant find their marriage either!!!

Name: Hannah Barraclough
Birth Date: 2 Apr 1852
Parish: Leeds, St Peter (Leeds Parish Church)
Baptism Date: 10 Apr 1853
Father's name: Samuel Barraclough
Mother's name: Martha Pickard Barraclough

Address Wortley

Occupation weaver

But Samuel, Martha and Hannah are all living together in 1861???

And Hannah calls her first daughter Martha???

Samuel didn't marry Martha


West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
about Samuel Barraclough Name: Samuel Barraclough
Birth Year: abt 1817
Age: 35
Marriage or Bann Date: 25 Oct 1852
Parish: Leeds, St Peter (Leeds Parish Church)
Father's name: Thomas Barraclough
Spouse's Name: Mary Strother
Spouse's Father's Name: John Strother




West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
about William Perrigo Name: William Perrigo
Birth Year: abt 1799
Age: 53
Marriage or Bann Date: 25 Oct 1852
Parish: Leeds, St Peter (Leeds Parish Church)
Father's name: Samuel Perrigo
Spouse's Name: Martha Ramsbottom
Spouse's Father's Name: Joshua Wood

BMD Search result details
Civil Registration event: Marriage

Name: BARRACLOUGH, Samuel
Registration District: Leeds
County: Yorkshire
Year of Registration: 1852
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume No: 9B
Page No: 447

MarriageFinder™: Samuel Barraclough married one of the following people

STROTHER, Marey
WOOD, Martha Ramsbottom
PERRIGO, William

Hi, at the end of my tether again!

My great great grandmother was called Hannah Barraclough...I have her marriage cert,,,she married Robert Henry Wilks Gaunt.

There are two Hannah births below, one of them has to be her...but which one???

Hannah Barraclough
Year of Registration 1852
Quarter of Registration Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Wortley
Registration County Yorkshire
Mother's maiden name
Volume Number 9C
Volume Page 173


Transcription Record
Name Hannah Barraclough
Year of Registration 1853
Quarter of Registration Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Wortley
Registration County Yorkshire
Mother's maiden name
Volume Number 9C
Volume Page 125


Transcription Record 1861
Name Hannah Barraclough
Age 9
Estimated Year of Birth 1852
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar

Address Low Wortley
District Hunslet, Wortley
Parish Wortley
Administrative County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Birth Place Wortley
Birth County YorkshireAddress Low Wortley
Parish Wortley
District Hunslet, Wortley
Administrative County Yorkshire (West Riding)


Householder 1
Name Samuel Barraclough
Age 31
Estimated Year of Birth 1830
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Woollen Weaver
Birth Place Wortley
Birth County Yorkshire


Householder 2
Name Martha Barraclough
Age 35
Estimated Year of Birth 1826
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation Cotton Weaver
Birth Place Wortley
Birth County Yorkshire


Transcription Record for marriage to Robert
Name Hannah Barraclough
Year of Marriage 1871
Quarter of Marriage Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District Leeds
Registration County Yorkshire
Spouse's Surname Only available for records after 1912
Volume Number 9B
Volume Page 466

Now, what i am struggling with,

1. Which birth entry is the correct one.
2. I have found the marriage on GR for her parents...Samuel Barraclough and Martha Ramsbottom Wood, in 1852, but I can not find it on Ancestry and I have access to the new West Yorkshire parish records!!! So unless i have missed it...
3,My theory as I need to do more work on it, is that Samuels mother was an unmarried Hannah Barraclough 1810 and her father was William Barraclough c1790. If anyone couls help with any of these queries it would be fantastic!!!

Kindest regards

Debi.