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Can anyone find a death for John Collins?

She was my great great great grandmother. She married Alfred Thomas Munt in 1860 and had five children between 1861 and 1873, two of which survived, Edwin Alfred and Frederick Henry. Someone has already looked at her marriage to Alfred Thomas for me but apparently although it says her father John is deceased, it doesn't give an occupation. That's why I thought we could look for siblings marriages as they might list their father's occupation.

Can you explain Elizabeth's relationship to you? If she is a close relative you must know who she married and what children they had.

The Elizabeth Ann who married Henry Havers names her father as a Police Inspector on the Wedding registration so it isn't the same Elizabeth Ann who was the daughter of Ann Venables.

Or maybe even a death for Ann if she can't be found on the 1851. Or a death for John.

That baptism looks promising. Can anyone find Ann on the 1851 census?

This is Elizabeth Ann's Baptism. She has been transcribed as Elizabeth Jane which is why I couldn't find it. Her mother is transcribed as Ann Venables. Father john is a Cow Keeper

Elizabeth Jane Collins >>>>Ann on original image
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1830
Baptism Date: 11 Apr 1830
Father's name: John Collins
Mother's name: Ann Collins
Parish or Poor Law Union: Westminster St John the Evangelist
Borough: Westminster

1841 for ann
COLLINS, Anne Venables F 33 1808 Middlesex VIEW
COLLINS, Elizabeth Ann F 11 1830 Middlesex VIEW
COLLINS, William M 9 1832 Middlesex VIEW
COLLINS, Jane Clarke F 6 1835 Middlesex VIEW
COLLINS, Ann F 4 1837 Middlesex VIEW
COLLINS, Susan F 2 1839 Middlesex VIEW
RG number:
HO107 Piece:
709 Book/Folio:
2/45 Page:
5

Registration District:
Shoreditch Sub District:
St Leonard Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
St Leonard Shoreditch Municipal Borough:
Tower Hamlets Address:
Windsor Place, St Leonard Shoreditch, Tower Hamlets County:
Middlesex

Although actually on the 1841 census the youngest child is only two, so presumably John hadn't died that long ago. Can you find Ann Venables Collins on the 1851 census - to check whether she is a widow?

With a name like Venables Cockerel it must be her! So she would be the right age to have Elizabeth Ann., and the 1841 census you found would fit. Is there a death for John anytime between 1830ish and 1841?

there are a number of baptisms for john collins in london area

could this be ann
Ann Venables Cockerell

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975


birth: 30 Jun 1808
residence: 1808 —London, England
parents: Stephen Cockerell, Elizabeth

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Ann Venables Cockerell
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 24 Jul 1808
baptism/christening place: SAINT JOHN HORSELEYDOWNS,BERMONDSEY,LONDON,ENGLAND
birth date: 30 Jun 1808
father's name: Stephen Cockerell
mother's name: Elizabeth
indexing project (batch) number: P01552-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 254544

Is there a baptism to John and Ann?

marriage: 22 Feb 1829 —Saint Martin In The Fields, Westminster, London, England
spouse: Ann Venables Cockerell

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: John Collins
bride's name: Ann Venables Cockerell
marriage date: 22 Feb 1829
marriage place: Saint Martin In The Fields,Westminster,London,England
indexing project (batch) number: M00145-4
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 561168

Thank you for those Maddie, it's just so hard to tell conclusively whether it's her.

1851 ???
1851 England Census about Elizabeth A Collins
Name: Elizabeth A Collins
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Servant
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: St Martin, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Tottenham
Ecclesiastical parish: Allhallows
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Hornsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 36
Piece: 1702
Folio: 372
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry I Dunster 67
Isabella Dunster 76
Mary Pettit 37
Elizabeth A Collins 22

1841 ????
1841 England Census about Elizabeth Ann Collins
Name: Elizabeth Ann Collins
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: St Leonard
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 709
Book: 2
Folio: 45
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Anne Venable Collins 33
Elizabeth Ann Collins 11
William Collins 9
Jane Clarke Collins 6
Ann Collins 4
Susan Collins 2

or marraige
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Elizabeth Ann Collins
Name: Elizabeth Ann Collins
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Spouse Name: Henry Branston Havers
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 15 Apr 1855
Parish: Holy Trinity, Grays Inn Road
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden
Father Name: John Collins
Spouse Father Name: William Havers

I am trying to trace Elizabeth Ann Collins born 1832 in the City of London. I believe her father was John Collins who was deceased by 1860. I don't know his proffesion. I know these are all very common names so the only ways I can see to work out which is the one I want is:

Search for marriages around 1840-1870 of Collins who have a father John Collins, who is maybe listed as deceased. He would definitely be deceased after 1860.

Look for a baptism of Elizabeth Ann Collins and see if there are any possible siblings.

If anyone could look these things up for me on Ancestry, or suggest where else I could look I'd be very grateful.

Elissa