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I've re-read the WW1 file, and even if the address in Bury is different, everything else seems to fit very well. Also noticed that no children had been born to the marriage which ties in with the 1911 census.

Andy

Lesley
The WW1 record is too large to transfer over plus you cant copy and paste it.
If you want access to it then click on my name and send me your email address. I will then call it up on Ancestry and then opt for the share and then send you an invite to view it. You will be able to download it it your PC when you look at it.

It does appear to state the name for your dads father who wasnt Mr Roscoe

hi and thanks, sorry i couldnt get back as quick but im always in and out because of work but on the birth cert it has 57 King st, it is from Bury register office so i persume its in Bury, thank you again u have found out more than i have and im sooooo grateful, and i dont mind you putting it on here because im just so happy someone is helping me, i was 1 wen my father died and 10 when my mother died so ive had no answers also my family are so full of secret by the look of it. i will follow up all your leads to the T. your all brilliant x :-)

Following on:

Name: Rose Milligan
Birth Date: 11 Mar 1913
Date of Registration: Mar 1986
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Bury
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 38
Page: 662

Maybe a marriage for Rose

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1933 (>99%)
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MILLIGAN Norman Roscoe Bury 8c 1036
ROSCOE Rose Milligan Bury 8c 1036


Andy

wonder if this is the right Florence
Name: Florence Roscoe
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1964
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Bury
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b
Page: 885

Lesley
if you dont have Ancestry then PM me your email address and i can send you a share link to Ancestry for the record. The link will only stay open for a short while but you can download the Records when you view them.

Andy,

I agree, it looks very likely that this may provide an answer for Lesley.

Potty,

Your concern is noted.

Lesley,

If you do decide to look at the service record here are the details of the record to look for:

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920

Name: Robert Roscoe
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Age at enlistment: 30
Birth Parish: St Georges
Birth County: L??
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 79831
Regiment Name: ?? (RH & RFA)

I don't think we should post anymore details of this Army record - Lesley may not want it on a public board.

Lesley, I would usually offer to send you the Army record but this one is quite long and complicated. If you do not have access to Ancestry, it might be worth your while to take out the fortnight's free trial.

As his mumdidnt name Mr Roscoe as the father it suggests that he was born from another relationship.

Edit: Slow typing cos am on a notebook that keeps jumping around,see that more has been posted on that front.

Hi Jonesey.

Yes we are. I've just gone through the service record. A cracking read, one of the best I've seen. I do hope it is the same family Lesley is looking for, it answers a lot of questions.

Andy

His army records are on Ancestry and it seems that when he joined, he enlisted as a 'single' man !!

His wife then wrote to the army about this..................

I am reading through them and will report back - it takes a while !!

Dea x

There are some interesting WW1 service records which appear to relate to the above Robert Roscoe. Amongst them is a letter (Unfortunately undated) indicating that his wife left him 4 years earlier to live with another man by whom she has now had a child. Robert Roscoe produced a birth certificate of the child with no fathers name indicated on it. The man Florence is co-habiting with is known as Joseph Smethurst (A butcher serving in the ASC).

EDIT: Snap Andrew we are obviously working along the same lines.

IF this is correct family in 1911 census, their is an interesting WW1 history, with detail of family and a letter from Florence. The address on sign up papers is the same as the census.

Lesley, what address is quoted on the birth cert you have? We may be able to tie things together. Quoted also is 26 Union Square Bury.

Andy

Franks births and a possible sister

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
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Roscoe Rose Brown Bury 8c 1054

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Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
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Roscoe Frank B Brown Bury 8c 771


Andy

Guessing that this might be Florence Brown's marriage to Mr Roscoe:

Marriages Mar 1904 (>99%)
>>>Brown Florence Salford 8d 26
Garbutt Mary Salford 8d 26
McElroy John Salford 8d 26
>>>ROSCOE Robert Salford 8d 26

1911???
ROSCOE, Robert Head Married M 29 1882 Coal Miner Hewer Lancs Pendleton VIEW
ROSCOE, Florence Wife Married
7 years F 26 1885 Ardwick Lanc VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
23963 Reference:
RG14PN23963 RG78PN1381 RD465 SD1 ED32 SN32

Registration District:
Salford Sub District:
Pendleton Enumeration District:
32 Parish:
Pendleton

Address:
1 Brittania Street Pendleton Salford County:
Lancashire

hi ive been trying to find my grandpaarents on my fathers side, the problem being there is no father named on my fathers Frank B Roscoes birth cert, his mothers name is there ( Florence Roscoe formally Brown) and in the place were it has..... signiture, description and residence of informant, it has Florence Roscoe with the word MOTHER under it so i persume its my great grandmother, i cant find any info and have been looking for a couple of yrs now. PLEASE CAN SOMEONE HELP. My father was born in Bury Lancashire, he lived on Tottington rd Bury and died age 50 in 1968, he was also married to a Ethel smith in 1942 but 6 yrs later met my mum but never married her but had 10 children together.