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Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
about Ellen Gritwaite Name: Ellen Gritwaite
Birth Year: abt 1863
Age: 28
Marriage Date: 18 Oct 1891
Parish: Liverpool All Saints
Spouse's Name: Edward Hale - Labr. age 23
Father's Name: Henry Gritwaite - Rope maker
Spouse Father's Name: Robert Hale - Carter

her address - Elias St
His address - Bostock St.

Witnesses:
R. Collins + Mary A Collins.
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OOhh Maureen - it is looking better and better!

Shame I have to dash off - will catch up later!

Dea x

I haven't found much more,Dea!

I think Ellen/Helen was fibbing about her age a bit:
Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Holen Griselwaith
Name: Holen Griselwaith
Birth Date: abt 1859
Baptism Date: 24 Apr 1859
Parish: West Derby St James
Father's Name: Henry Griselwaith Occ: Roper
Mother's Name: Anna Griselwaith
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1861 census transcription details for: 65, Lovat Street, West Derby, Liverpool

RG number: RG09 Piece: 2730 Folio: 19 Page: 30

Reg. District: West Derby Sub District: 6 West Derby
GUSTLEWHITE, Henry Head Married M 24 1837 Rope Maker
West Derby
Lancashire
GUSTLEWHITE, Anna Wife Married F 25 1836
...
Lancashire
GUSTLEWHITE, Helen Daughter F 2 1859
West Derby
Lancashire
GUSTLEWHITE, William Son M 0 (4M) 1861
Liverpool
Lancashire


My eyes are going a little wonky on me. I just can't see them in 1891. I think Edward Hale is down as Edward Hall:

1891 census transcription details for: 61, Bostock Street, Liverpool
RG number: RG12 Piece: 2899 Folio: 79 Page: 10

Reg. District: Liverpool Sub District: St Martin
HALL, Mary Head Widow F 67 1824
Ireland
HALL, Robert Son Single M 33 1858 Genl Labourer
Liverpool
Lancashire
HALL, Edward Son Single M 23 1868 Genl Labourer
Liverpool
Lancashire
HALL, Thomas Son Single M 18 1873 Genl Labourer
Liverpool
Lancashire
HALL, Henry Son Single M 15 1876 Scholar
Liverpool
Lancashire

But not really certain.

Maureen

Maureen - I believe you have the correct family for Edward on 1891 (transcribed as Hall) - 1871 shows Mary with husband Robert, a carter, as mentioned on marriage cert.

And that MUST be Helen on 1861, though I cannot follow the family through just at the moment.

Thanks,

Dea x

Are you there Danny ??? OR are you too busy scoffing that wedding cake ???

Dea Xxx

Thanks Maureen and everyone. You got it spot on. I found a tree with Mary M Hale in it and contacted the owner, and he confirmed that Mary M's mother was Ellen HALE nee GRISTLEWHITE!!! She gave birth to Mary before marrying Edward HALE so that solves that mystery.

Thanks so much for your help guys.

Strangely Maureen, that address you posted in 1911 (45 Epsom St), Mary M ALSO lived at this address with her husband Patrick FLYNN and my G Grandmother, Ellen FLYNN. However they have separate census forms.

Thank you so much guys.

I somehow missed the second page of this. Thanks for all the info. You two make a good research pair.

I just can't believe how the surname has changed so much over the years. Even from mother to daughter it's so different. I guess, when you can't read or write the spelling is based on the person you're telling it too?

Ellen's age does seem to change (very often). I'll keep looking, but the closer the certificate to her birth date, the less chance I rekon they had of getting her age wrong. That's the system I use anyway until something concrete pops up.