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Hi again Jan
I may have a mistake with Florence. I now think she married Alfred Morrison 1921 Everton, and had 2 children

Thanks kerryn

thanks so much Jan - I had George as marrying Ann Greer but it may be ann Green. I got it off another member. Do you think this is wrong? 1899 may have been my fingers! :S

Yes I did have the 1881 census (somewhere) As I now do all this on my laptop it sometimes gets confusing. I may rejoin Ancestry again and see what pops up there. Do you think that is worth it?

I have had such a hard time with my grandfathers siblings. My husbands side was much easier. In those days they could have emmigrated anywhere and that makes it harder to find. I have found a few names in America/Canada but can't say for sure that it is one of them.

I am also thinking of upgrading my gr membership to include 1911 it may make things much easier as well.

You have been wonderful. Have a great day
Kerryn :-)

Have you got this?

1881 England Census

Name: Jane Sim
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 18 Cellar Boundary Street E

Occupation: Husd At Sea

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin


Jane Sim 35
Wm. Sim 16
John Sim 14
George Sim 11
James Sim 9
Cath. Sim 7
Jessie Sim 5
Lilly Sim 3
Mary Sim 1

I see Florence married in Liverpool. As you have probably discovered there are no obvious births on Freebmd, unless they moved quite a way off which is impossible to say.

This is the only birth in a reasonable timescale and it's in Hampshire:

Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
Smith Rose I Sim Hartley W 2c 345

Jan

1911

SIM, George Head Married M 41 1870 Seaman Engineers Dept Northumberland Newcastle on Tyne VIEW
SIM, Ann Wife Married
22 years F 42 1869 Liverpool Lancashire VIEW
SIM, George Son Single M 19 1892 Assistant Stableman Liverpool Lancashire VIEW
SIM, John Son Single M 18 1893 Apprentice Leadlighting And Glazier Liverpool Lancashire VIEW
SIM, Ann Daughter Single F 16 1895 Liverpool Lancashire VIEW
SIM, May Daughter F 14 1897 Errand Girl Liverpool Lancashire VIEW
SIM, Edith Daughter F 13 1898 School VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22503 Reference:
RG14PN22503 RG78PN1324 RD455 SD7 ED20 SN38

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
North Everton Enumeration District:
20 Parish:
Everton

Address:
62 Melbourne St Everton Liverpool County:
Lancashire

I can't locate George apart from 1871. What makes you believe he married Ann Greer?

EDIT possible marriage you refer to was 1889 not 1899:

Marriages Mar 1889 (>99%)
Clarke Charles W. Derby 8b 468
Green Ann W. Derby 8b 468
Greer Ann W. Derby 8b 468
McKevitt Margaret W. Derby 8b 468
Prescott Ellen W.Derby 8b 468
SIM George W Derby 8b 468

Jan

Hi again.

Not sure if it helps, but here is William in 1911. Sadly they have had 2 children but both have died, so this line is ended:

SIM, William Head Married M 46 1865 Cycle And Phone Dealer Sunderland Durham VIEW
SIM, Jane Wife Married
21 years F 44 1867 Liverpool Lancashire VIEW
JONES, Emily Niece F 12 1899 School Liverpool Lancashire VIEW
JONES, Rose Mother In Law Widow F 82 1829 Ceanaes Anglesea N Wales VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22124 Reference:
RG14PN22124 RG78PN1311 RD453 SD1 ED8 SN28

Registration District:
Liverpool Sub District:
Scotland Enumeration District:
8 Parish:
Liverpool

Address:
41 Stanley Road Liverpool County:
Lancashire

thanks so much Jan - I must be doing something wrong as I don't seem to be able to find all the information you can - and believe me I try and keep on trying!

Thanks so much again
Kerryn :-)

Kerryn, off to work in a mo but will pop back tomorrow evening and see how far you have got. Will do some more lookups then if needed.
Jan

Thanks for all of the above - great information. Maybe I need to pay for the higher rate so I can see the 1911 census. maybe next payday will think of it xxxx

No I don't still have a tree on ancestry at the moment - too many relations had access to it and it got wrecked. I am not sure if you can still see anything on there but I did delete it about a month ago
Thanks Kerryn

Kerryn, I see you have a tree on Ancestry, so is there any point us going any further looking for marriages, births etc., assuming you are still a member on there?
Jan

Have PM'd Donald Verona's marriage details.
Jan

1911 might as well post it
BUTCHER, Alfred Head Married M 45 1866 Flour Mill Labourer Cheshire Birkenhead VIEW
BUTCHER, Ann Wife Married
12 years F 35 1876 Lancs Liverpool VIEW
BUTCHER, Alfred Son M 11 1900 School Lancs Liverpool VIEW
BUTCHER, Stanley Son M 5 1906 Lancs Liverpool VIEW
BUTCHER, George Son M 2 1909 Lancs Liverpool VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22444 Reference:
RG14PN22444 RG78PN1323 RD455 SD6 ED1 SN263

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
Kirkdale Enumeration District:
1 Parish:
Kirkdale

Address:
21 Crete St Kirkdale Liverpool

6 children - 3 still alive

Having checked his birth details, this is Rodney's death record.

Name: Rodney Andrew Kingsbury
Birth Date: 4 Jul 1962
Death Registration Month/Year: Nov 1996
Age at death (estimated): 34
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Register number: G17D
District and Subdistrict: 0251G
Entry number: 209

Had you got these (I see marriage was in West Derby)?

Births Sep 1914
Sim Florence J Bell W.Derby 8b 838
Births Jun 1916
Sim Thomas D Bell W. Derby 8b 789
Births Dec 1920
Sim Lilian M Bell W. Derby 8b 81

I found Jane living with son and 2 daughters in 1911 - I assume George had died by then

Kerryn

I have been searching trees for quiet a while now but don't seem to find the right ones, and yes I have been trying to find births on free bmd

Thanks Kerryn

First things first! Although there is a Scottish background I see the search focuses on England really, at least to start with. Have you looked for children of the above marriages on Freebmd?

www.freebmd.org.uk

And also, have you looked for matches with other members by putting names into Search trees box above?

jan

My only problem with all the information is that I have no idea which,if any, you have found on 1911 census

George and Jane you appear to have found in 1911 with Florence and Mary and Thomas

Sorry updated my post