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ok here goes, Ethel would have been my grandmother, but she was killed in WW2 1941 in the Norwich Beadecker bomb raids, she married Walter JH Jopp (i now have his lineage thanks to Lindsey and co), who was killed in WW2 1940 up north, died in a hosp there. I know that Ethel had a sister, Lillian, who married a Royal Potter, children were Nova and Brian Royal, all died in the same raid as Ethel, Ethel and Lillians maiden names was Seaman, from Norwich, thats all i have im afraid, mum passed away and would never talk about this side of family, soooo help !! please lol

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Ethel A Seaman
Name: Ethel A Seaman
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Carter
District: Norwich
County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 190 (click to see others on page)

Is this her birth?

for anyone else - yes lilians husbands forename was ''Royal''

For ref

JOPP, ETHEL ADA
Initials: E A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 28
Date of Death: 28/04/1942
Additional information: of 6 St. Mary's Road. Daughter of Charles and Lydia Seaman, of 4 Oak Lane, Catton Grove; widow of Sjt. Walter Henry Jopp, R.A. Died at 6 St. Mary's Road.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: NORWICH, COUNTY BOROUGH


George

Marriages Jun 1909

CARTER Lydia Norwich 4b 345
SEAMAN Charles Norwich 4b 345

Louise


Did you remove the thread on John Newman Jopp

I cant find it now?

Reg. District: Norwich Sub District: East Wymer
Parish: Norwich Enum. District: 13
Address: 5 St Anns Lane King Street Norwich
County: Norfolk
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born


SEAMAN, Charles Head Married M 23 1888 Newsagent Norwich Norfolk
SEAMAN, Lily Wife Married F 21 1890 Norwich Norfolk
SEAMAN, Gertrude Daughter Single F 1 1910 Norwich Norfolk
CHAPMAN, William Boarder Single M 21 1890 Porter Ipswich Suffolk

Married 2 years


A possible

Name: POTTER, BRIAN ROYAL
Initials: B R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 10
Date of Death: 28/04/1942
Additional information: of 6 St. Mary's Road. Son of A.C.2 Royal Potter, R.A.F., and Lilian Potter. Died at 6 St. Mary's Road.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: NORWICH, COUNTY BOROUGH

Name: POTTER, LILIAN
Initials: L
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 30
Date of Death: 28/04/1942
Additional information: of 6 St. Mary's Road. Daughter of Charles and Lydia Seaman, of 4 Oak Lane, Catton Grove; wife of A.C.2 Royal Potter, R.A.F. (killed in same incident). Died at 6 St. Mary's Road.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: NORWICH, COUNTY BOROUGH

Name: POTTER, NOVA
Initials: N
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 3
Date of Death: 28/04/1942
Additional information: of 6 St. Mary's Road. Daughter of A.C.2 Royal Potter, R.A.F., and Lilian Potter. Died at 6 St. Mary's Road.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: NORWICH, COUNTY BOROUGH

Name: JOPP, WALTER JOSEPH HENRY
Initials: W J H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Serjeant
Regiment/Service: Royal Artillery
Date of Death: 26/04/1941
Service No: 926491
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. 54. Grave 543.
Cemetery: NORWICH CEMETERY, Norfolk

looks possible, Lillian and Ethel were born after Gertrude if its the same people, the parents names are right, just found this too ; .
The garages mark the spot where a row of terraces once were these suffered a direct hit along with the row on St Martins Road up to the corner next to Wensum Park. this was the raid of 27th/28th which appears to have been aimed at City Station. It resulted in the deaths of Royal Potter, who appears to have been on leave from the RAF, his wife Lillian and their two children, and Ethel Jopp at No 6 St Mary's Road. the blast was so extensive that the backs were torn off the row on Drayton Road, which you can make out in the brick lines which change from Norfolk Red to engineering bricks on all bar two at one end an one at the right,

I know that thier house was St Marys

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British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 about Charles Seaman
Name: Charles Seaman >>Newsagent
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Age at enlistment: 24
Birth Parish: St Pauls
Birth County: Norwich
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 1550
Regiment Name: Batlery
Number of images: 23

discharged 1915 no longer fit/

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Gertrude Seaman
Name: Gertrude Seaman
Spouse Surname: Snelling
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1928
Registration district: Norwich
Registration county (inferred): Norfolk
Volume Number: 4b
Page Number: 352
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

This could be Gertrudes marriage

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Gertrude Snelling
Name: Gertrude Snelling
Birth Date: 20 Jan 1910
Death Registration Month/Year: Oct 1990
Age at death (estimated): 80
Registration district: Norwich
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 10
Page: 1795

Her death

Thanks for your PM.....




No ginny or if i have, i wasnt aware of it, i will look and see if i can reinstate it

Name: POTTER, ROYAL
Initials: R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Aircraftman 2nd Class
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 150 Sqdn.
Age: 27
Date of Death: 27/04/1942
Service No: 1446712
Additional information: Son of Clifford Lancelot Willie and Rosa Potter, of Mile Cross, Norwich; husband of Lilian Potter and father of Brian and Nova Potter, of Norwich, all of whom were killed in the same incident.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. 54. Grave 515.
Cemetery: NORWICH CEMETERY, Norfolk