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Hi there, is there anyone out there who can find these for me on the 1911, the only census I have found them on is the 1901, living in Manchester, with daughter Feiga aged 1, they were both born in Russia (well, Beila was born in Lithuania, but was occupied by Russia at the time). Harry was born in 1871 and Beila in 1875 or thereabouts. She was a waterproof garment machinist. I would be so grateful if anyone could find these for me. Oh, and I can't find the birth of Feiga on the FreeBMD or Ancestry either, or a marriage for the couple ..... frustrated isn't the word!!!
Thank you folks
Lisa xx

These are the only people transcribed as Ditman in the 1911 census:

Household DITMAN, Edward 1842 69 M Bedford Bedfordshire VIEW VIEW
Household DITMAN, Elena 1845 66 F Bedford Bedfordshire VIEW VIEW
Household DITMAN, Ethel 1871 40 F Northampton Northamptonshire VIEW VIEW
Household DITMAN, Frank Boghurst 1866 45 M Northampton Northamptonshire VIEW VIEW
Household DITMAN, John M 1901 10 M Woolwich London

These the only 2 transcribed as Feiga:

Household GOLDBLOOM, Feiga 1901 10 F Mile End Old Town London VIEW VIEW
Household SHMALTZMAN, Feiga 1862 49 F Stepney London

for ref

1901 census

Address 2 Davison St
Civil Parish Manchester
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet Manchester
Ecclesiastical Parish St Thomas
Parliamentary Borough or Division N W Division Of Manchester
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Manchester
Administrative County Lancashire

Householder 1
Name Beila Ditman
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 26
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Water Proof Garment Machinist
Employment Status
Where Born Russia Russian Subject
Language
Infirmity

Householder 2
Name Harry Ditman
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 30
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Russia Russian Subject
Language
Infirmity

Householder 3
Name Heifa Ditman
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 1
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Manchester
Language
Infirmity

No sign of them at all as far as I can see. It looks as though they may either emigrated or perhaps changed their names.

Thank you for that ... Polly, it's very annoying isn't it ... I have tried all different spellings of Ditman too, because sometimes I have seen it spelt Dittmann, and I have looked at the image of the 1901 and it is defo Feiga, plus, Beila's mum was called Feiga which makes sense. So difficult with these Eastern European names, a transcribers nightmare!! Thank you Jonesey ... that is the family, but the daughter transcribed wrongly, you see, this is the problem ... I just thought a fresh look, somebody else's ideas ... you know
Thanks all
Lisa xxx

Just another thought, maybe they went abroad?? Has anyone got Ancestry for the USA?? maybe they are on the census there.
Lisa xx

thank you so much Jonesey ... my thoughts too ... just thought it was worth a try
Lisa xx

Looks as though Ditman surname is of German origin. Russian surnames usually construed to indicate "son or daughter of".

Ok, thanks Perchino ... Beila was my grandfather's sister, and they were born in Lithuania ... their surname was Berk ... also of German origin I believe ... but some in the family called themselves Berkovich ... son of Berk?? I don't know where Harry Ditman originated, maybe Lithuania as well, it is a possibility
Lisa xx

"vich* is son of and "skaya" daughter of. I think it is a case of more investigation into the origins of the surnames will give you better clues. Will have a look at Berkovich.
Edit: please don't take the first clue the wrong way;-

1880 Russian Army Deserters
SURNAME, NAME, PATRONYMIC, TOWN, DISTRICT, PROVINCE, COMMENTS. ALKON, Shmul- Shimel-Elye, Berkovich. Grodno. ANOY, Itsko-Abel, Gilerovich, Grodno, Grodno ...

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Berkovitz Family
31 Aug 2008 ... Abraham Berkovich was a notable and important person in Volozhyn. .... http:// www.familyhistory.com/surnames.asp?surname=Ber ...

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Berkowicz. Usage: Jewish. A variant spelling of Berkovich. ... It is often a Jewish surname. A Jewish community was in Fermo in the past centuries. ...

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Well, my family were Jewish, and my grandfather's brother was called Abraham!! Haha, as for army deserters, could well have been, I know they escaped the 'pogroms' of the 1880s, and ended up in France, so the family story goes, my great uncle went to America and my grandfather came here to London. My cousin and I have been searching and searching for the rest of the family for years, to no avail, but recently have found this Ditman family living in Manchester, don't know if Beila is my Beila, but the daughter's name Feiga was her mother's name, so we are trying to follow the lead.
Thanks so much for your research
Lisa xxx

There was an area in Central Europe called Galicia (not to be confused with the one in Spain) which had a strong Jewish influence and I have found many of the surnames to originate from there. Families left the area searching for work. Will have a look in the next twenty four hours.
Have you tried the Jewish Museum in London to see if they have any records?

No, I haven't yet, but it is on my list of things to do!! Fascinating researching surnames, thank you so much for your help
Lisa xx

Probably not your Beila but the age would be about right so you never know. No other Dittmann on the passenger list.

Name: Beile Dittmann
Departure Date: 11 Mai 1912 (11 May 1912)
Destination: Buenos Aires
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Age Year: 35
Gender: weiblich (Female)
Marital Status: verheiratet (Married)
Family: Household members
Residence: Warschau,
Ethnicity/Nationality: Russland (Russian)

Ship Name: Cap Ortegal
Shipping line: Hamburg-Südamerikanische Dampfschifffahrt-Gesellschaft
Ship Type: Dampfschiff
Accommodation: Zwischendeck
Ship Flag: Deutschland
Port of Departure: Hamburg
Port of Arrival: Boulogne; Southampton; Coruna; Lissabon; Rio de Janeiro; La Plata

Volume: 373-7 I, VIII A 1 Band 245
Page: 1047
Microfilm Roll Number: K_1823

Oh my gosh!!! Does it say who the household members were at all?? This is amazing, it could well be her, are there any Berk or Berkavich names mentioned at all? Thank you so much, where did you get this info from? Is it that Ships Lists site?
Lisa xx

I found the information on Ancestry:

Hamburg Passenger Lists, 1850-1934.

No Berk or Berkavitch names travelling on that vessel I'm afraid.

Both Bercovich and Dittman surnames are showing as having links back into Galicia. Is Dittman the Jewish form of Ditman which would explain why you have come across variants of the name?

History of the Jews in Galicia (Eastern Europe) - ...
Galician Jews or Galitzianer Jews are a subdivision of the Ashkenazim ...

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Berkowicz. Usage: Jewish. A variant spelling of Berkovich. ..... Austro- Hungarian Empire formerly known as Galicia, which is today in southwestern Ukraine. ...

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