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I am wondering why I can't find great grandparents listed in any census, yet I know their names are John Woodcock and Ann Woodcock (formely) Dean. They had at least one child Catherine Ellen Woodcock 15/1/1910, 13 Court 10 Cecil St, Birmingham. I have found marriage records for 1892 July-Aug-Sept, only John is listed as Johnathon. I have no middle names for either John or Ann. Does anyone have any suggestions or any reasons for why they are not on any census records, particulary 1911, when this is only one year after their daughter Catherine was born?

Thank for any imput.

Julie

WOODCOCK, John Head Married
20 years M 40 1871 Labourer Corporation Yard Birmingham VIEW
WOODCOCK, Fanny Wife Married F 40 1871 Birmingham VIEW
WOODCOCK, William Son Married M 17 1894 Simply Conducts Electrical Fitter Birmingham VIEW
WOODCOCK, Benjamin Son M 10 1901 Birmingham VIEW
WOODCOCK, Walter Edward Son M 5 1906 Birmingham VIEW
WOODCOCK, Sophia Florence Daughter F 6 1905 Birmingham VIEW
WOODCOCK, Lousia Daughter F 14 1897 Birmingham VIEW
WOODCOCK, Beatrice Daughter F 8 1903 Birmingham VIEW
WOODCOCK, Kate Ellen Daughter F 2 1909 Birmingham VIEW
WOODCOCK, Voilet Elizabeth Daughter F 0 (1 MONTH) 1911 Birmingham VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18179 Reference:
RG14PN18179 RG78PN1099 RD385 SD1 ED32 SN246

Registration District:
Aston Sub District:
Deritend Enumeration District:
32 Parish:
Aston

Address:
6 Verona Place Talfourd ST
10 children born 9 living

for info
son benjamins birth with full name
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Benjamin Jonathan Woodcock
Name: Benjamin Jonathan Woodcock
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
DISTRICT: Birmingham (1837-1924)
COUNTY: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 129 (click to see others on page)

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If the Benjamin Jonathan is correct, then this?:
1901 England Census
John Woodcock
Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Woodcock
Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: Bishop Ryder County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England
Street Address:1 house 3 court baggott street ?
Occupation: corporation night soil man
Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 49 Household schedule number: 101 Piece: 2845 Folio: 31 Page Number: 20

John Woodcock 30
Elizabeth Woodcock 31
William Woodcock 6
Jonathan B Woodcock 1 Month

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2845; Folio: 31; Page: 20.

But why Elizabeth and no Louisa.

Added: census taken 31st March, so he shoud not be on it.

There are none listed at the address you gave.

there are these 2 marraiges to an elizabeth
BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: WOODCOCK, John
Registration District: Help Aston
County: Warwickshire
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 6D
Page No: Help 401
MarriageFinder™: John Woodcock married one of the following people Help


BRISTOW, Elizabeth view record


MILLS, Elizabeth view record


BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: WOODCOCK, John
Registration District: Help Aston
County: Warwickshire
Year of Registration: 1897
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 6D
Page No: Help 310
MarriageFinder™: John Woodcock married one of the following people Help


CURRALL, Elizabeth view record

and marraige for jonathan and ann
BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: WOODCOCK, Jonathan
Registration District: Help Birmingham
County: Warwickshire
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 6D
Page No: Help 95
MarriageFinder™: Jonathan Woodcock married one of the following people Help


DEAN, Ann view record

Best buy the cert then
Births Mar 1910 (>99%)
WOODCOCK Catherine Ellen Birmingham 6d 115

Thank you everyone, the last entry, is the one the one that seems most likely. My great grandmothers name was Ann Dean and became a Woodcock, by marrying John Woodcock. Assuming that this entry of marriage in 1892 Vol 6D Pg 95 is the correct one, why can't I find any Census record for Ann and Johnathon Woodcock?

Thanks Julie

do you now where jonathan and ann were born
maddie

No I don't know where either of them where born. The last address I have for them is on their daughters birth cert and it showed 13 Court 10 Cecil Street, Birmingham. regards Julie

I think you will have to buy the marriage Certificate of Jonathan Woodcock and Ann Dean. This will then give you the Father's names of Jonathan & Ann.

Les

Jonathan Woodcock appears 1881 as b 1871 Birmingham son of Richard Woodcock b 1834 Tamworth and his wife Jane b 1837 Wales

But by 1891 only their daughter Florence is with them -all other children missing including Jonathan.Richard is a Wagon driver in 1881 and a railway porter in 1891

Possible for Ann
Ann Dean appears 1881 as born 1872 Birmingham daughter of Walter T Dean and his wife Louise

I wonder if Jonathan joined up for the army and was abroad 1891 -what is his occupation on the marriage cert?

The Birth Certificate of Catherine Ellen Woodcock shows her father John Woodcock as a General Labourer.

Jonathan Woodcock died 1922 aged 51 Birmingham
Ann Dean appears 1891 with her parents Walter and Louisa as ANNIE Dean in Birmingham

Children born Woodcock with MMS Dean
Lilian R Woodcock b 1912 Aston Dec Q 6d 437
Amy M Woodcock b 1915 Aston Mar Q 6d 777

Can you please tell me what MMS Dean means?

I had some evidence that Catherine Ellen Woodcock had a brother Albert Woodcock who I believe may of been born prior to 1910. How can I be sure that the children Lilian R Woodcock and Amy M Woodcock are sisters to Catherine Ellen Woodock B1910?

I appreciate all your assistance.

Julie

there are these 3 births for an albert
WOODCOCK Albert Henry Aston Warwickshire 1899 VIEW
WOODCOCK Albert Aston Warwickshire 1903 VIEW
WOODCOCK Albert Edward Aston Warwickshire 1904 VIEW
WOODCOCK Albert Edward Aston Warwickshire 1907 VIEW

to be sure they are related you will need their birth certs for parents names
Maddie

Deaths Mar 1913 (>99%)
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Woodcock Lilian R 0 Aston 6d 470

Deaths Mar 1915 (>99%)
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Woodcock Amy M 0 Aston 6d 549

MMS means Mothers maiden surname
The only way you can be sure they are siblings of Catherine Ellen would be to buy their birth certificates from the GRO -you can do this online quoting the ref given for £9.25 each

Or buy the death certs as the parents should be on them too

jax