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Thomas Edward Sadler is my mystery man. He is variously said to have been born on India, or Sunderland according to his marriage certifiates. He was a Marine Engineer but in 1911 was running pub called the Foresters Arm at 121 Salmons Lane, Limehouse. A living member of my family, a nephew and my brother, who saw him shortly before he died, (just before I was born), and who knew him well, insists he was Anglo Indian. Family legend has always said he was born in India, and his father Thomas Sadler, a Master Mariner, is understood to have died at sea en route from India to England, possibly aboard s/s Colombo, (off no 68655) on 8/12/1874. His second wife Frances Frater, was my Godmother and maternal Aunt, and most of my information comes from her. Sadly they were childless but I was taken over as a substitute when young. (Not sure my Mother was too pleased).
He was first married to Kate Wardropper and witnesses at that wedding were John Walter Sadler and Jennie Carr. Was he former a relative?
Can anyone help solve this mystery for me, all my efforts have ended in brick walls.
Reuben Charlton

Do you know roughly when Thomas was born? When did he marry Kate Wardropper?

Census 1911 for INFO re age etc

>>.SADLER, Thomas Edward Head Married M 40 1871 Licensed Victualer Sunderland
SADLER, Francis Bartlett Wife Married 3 years F 30 1881 Sunderland
FRATER, Sarah Mother In Law Widow F 57 1854 Assisting In Business Sunderland
FRATER, Sarah Sister In Law Single F 19 1892 Assisting In Business Sunderland
FRATER, Gilbert Brother In Law Married M 26 1885 Ships Plater Sunderland
FRATER, Thomas Brother In Law Single M 15 1896 Printer's Asstnt Sunderland
FRATER, Wilfred Reuben Brother In Law Single M 13 1898 Schoool Sunderland

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RG number: RG14 Piece:1560 Reference:RG14PN1560 RG78PN55 RD20 SD2 ED13 SN131

Registration District:Stepney Sub District: Limehouse Enumeration District:13 Parish: Limehouse

Address:
121 Salmon's Lane Limehouse

Thanks for replying
The nearest birth date I can give is based on his age at his two marriages and date of his death. He married Kate Wardropper on 12 Feb 1888 at the Parish Church in Bishopwearmouth. She died in 1907. He married my Aunt Frances Blackett Sadler on 17 May 1908 at St. Margarets Church, Durham. He and his brother were said to have been aboard the ship when their Father died. Does this help?

Thomas Edward Sadler
birth: 1865
christening:
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence:
parents: Thomas Sadler
spouse: Kate Wardropper
child:
marriage: 12 Feb 1888 — St. Peter, Bishop-Wearmouth, Durham, England

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: Thomas Edward Sadler
groom's birth date: 1865
groom's age: 23
bride's name: Kate Wardropper
bride's birth date: 1866
bride's age: 22
marriage date: 12 Feb 1888
marriage place: St. Peter, Bishop-Wearmouth, Durham, England
groom's father's name: Thomas Sadler
bride's father's name: George Wardropper
groom's marital status: Single
bride's marital status: Single
indexing project (batch) number: M00921-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1514557

There's this chap, but no middle name.

>>>Name: Thomas Sadler
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 02 Aug 1865
Baptism/Christening Place: Blacktown, Madras, India
Birth Date: 31 May 1865
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
>>>Father's Name: Thomas Sadler
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
>>>Mother's Name: Caroline
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00069-0
System Origin: India-EASy
Source Film Number: 521853
Reference Number: v 46 p 169

Maybe??

christening: 17 Sep 1865 — WHICKHAM,DURHAM,ENGLAND
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence:
parents: Thomas Sadler, Elizabeth
spouse:
child:
marriage:
record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Thomas Sadler
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 17 Sep 1865
baptism/christening place: WHICKHAM,DURHAM,ENGLAND
father's name: Thomas Sadler
mother's name: Elizabeth
indexing project (batch) number: D19750-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: unknown


Think this can rule out this Thomas. Below census states father Thomas is a glassmaker.



1871 England Census
about Thomas F Sadler
Name: Thomas F Sadler
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas Sadler
Mother's name: Elizabeth Sadler
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunston, Durham, England
Civil parish: Whickham
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Whickham
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 130
Piece: 5064
Folio: 39
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Sadler 44
Elizabeth Sadler 42
Isabella Sadler 12
Thomas F Sadler 5

Family search is playing up at the moment, but a John Walter Sadler is showing up as a son of a Thomas Sadler and a Caroline - didn't get the year when FS went funny on me.

The Thomas Sadler born 1865 India is also son of Thomas and Caroline.

Here we are, Witness to the wedding to Kate, and Thomas's younger brother?

>>>Name: John Walter Sadler
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 07 Nov 1866
Baptism/Christening Place: Madras, Madras, India
Birth Date: 20 Sep 1866
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
>>>Father's Name: Thomas Sadler
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
>>>Mother's Name: Caroline
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00069-1
System Origin: India-EASy
Source Film Number: 521854
Reference Number: v 47 p 246

Register of BMDs at sea details

Registration event: death
Title:
Name: SADLER, Thomas
Sex: Male
Date of death: 13 November 1874
Cause of death: Exhaustion From Chronic Cystitis
Age: 65
Occupation:
Place of birth:
Ship's name: Columbo
Notes:

Thank you so much for your replies. Kacinta especially has helped to support my family story and remove some of the doubt I was beginning to have. The information supports all that I was told by those family members who knew Tom personally. I just wish I had been born early enough to have known him, I gather he was quite a character. He was also described as a Guarantee Chief Engineer, meaning he took new ships out on their first voyages to ensure the engines worked properly. At last a gap has been filled and I just wish I has found this site sooner.

Just checked with my much older brother who was a favourite of Tom Sadler. He confirms that there was a younger brother but not sure of his name, but Walter rang a bell! Being a lot older than me he does not always recall details I ask him about. But he clearly remembers Tom on his death bed, who had specially asked to see him.
Again my sincere to all thanks for all the help given

Missed out the thanks. from above, sorry, its all the excitement.

You certainly didn't miss out on the thanks, and it's a pleasure to have helped be the cause of such excitement.

Name: Thomas Edward Sadler of 23 Churchill Street Sunderland
Probate Date: 6 Apr 1933
Death Date: 15 Sep 1932
Death Place: Sunderlanld
Registry: Newcastle-Upon-Tyne

To George Brown estate agent & Percy Falshaw Castlereagh Thomson Crow Solicitor. Effects £3655 11s 8d

Thanks chrisa for the probate info. That was a lot of money in those days.
Especially for a marine engineer. I believe Percy Crow was a personal friend as well as his solicitor. George Brown was probably involved in the property deals he had going. Tom was obviously a canny lad.

You're welcome