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abby st- that was Leslie and Olives firsrt house- not sure what number on abbey st

I havent seen my mums birth cert- so until I do the evidence is just on what my mum has told me.

Thanks everyone!

My mum has told me the names of her parents and their sblings. My mum is an only child.

If that Cooper family does turn out to be the right one I am warming to the Olive Cooper birth in 1914 in Basford. Cyril Herbert and Ida Irene were both registered there. They obviously moved around a bit and could have been back in that region by 1914. Also, in 1901 Herbert is stated as being born in Basford.

I hope Emma comes back and confirms that she does have her mothers birth cert.

Christine2 your advice is very sensible. Unfotrunately will not have time to look until this weekend but there are early Derby (now) inner city records on the internet which I found some time ago in a very obscure place. Boundary changes in 1890's will not help. Also worth a look in the Leicestershire records.

Thank you again MC :)

Before you go any further Emma, can we ask please, have you got the Olive Cooper and Leslie Evans details from your mothers birth certificate?
If you haven't got your mothers birth certificate, and are guessing at her parents names, you need to get that certificate first.
Has your mother got any sisters or brothers?

p.s. If the family above does turn out to be the right one, Herbert was a greengrocer.

The 1911 that Christine asked about shows Charlotte as married 12 years. It says she has 5 children born, 4 surviving. Written across the census page are the words "Husband Absent".

COOPER, Charlotte Sarah Wife Married F 35 1876 Derby
COOPER, Eveline May Daughter F 11 1900 School Derby
COOPER, Lilian Mureal Daughter F 9 1902 Derby
COOPER, Cyril Herbert Son M 6 1905 Ruddington Notts
COOPER, Ida Irena M 2 1909 Colwick Notts

Registration District: Ashbourne Sub District: Brassington Enumeration District: 18 Parish: Bonsall

Address: Nether Green Bonsall County: Derbyshire

(Sorry for delay!)

thank you! my mother doesnt know much about her family and so this side of my family tree is very empty. This really is great!

I think the Evans one looks a good possibility Perchino but I'm not at all confident that we have found the Olive Cooper family. That's why I said the marriage cert is the only way to go. The marriage in Shardlow is the only one that fits in Derbyshire.

Need to look at this one carefully in conjunction with a map of the time. Chesterfield is Derbyshire not Derby and Shardlow Registration District can cover as far as Stapleford in Nottinghamshire.

It looks as though the Olive and Leslie marriage cert is the only way to go Emma.

Unless for some odd reason her mother went to Basford (Notts) to have her. The others all have second names though, so why wouldn't they give Olive one.

Births Dec 1914
COOPER Olive Taylor Basford 7b 516

Oh there's an Eva that would fit too! Where is Olive!

Births Sep 1911
Cooper Eva M Taylor Derby 7b 1250

Thank you MC:)

I'm struggling with the Olive Cooper though. I found these with a free search on 1911 but I can't find an Olive birth in Ashbourne that would fit the death in 1958. Also, there doesn't appear to be a father in this one and if he died there weren't likely to be any more Cooper children i.e. Olive.
On the other hand, if this is the marriage the only death for a Herbert Cooper from 1908 to 1911 in Derbyshire is in 1910 and he is 61 years old, so a bit old for Charlotte!
I wonder if you you would be kind enough MC to have a look and see if Charlotte is a widow please?

Marriages Sep 1898
CASH Henry Archer Derby 7b 928
*******Cooper Herbert Derby 7b 928
********Taylor Charlotte Sarah Derby 7b 928
Winfield Florence Derby 7b 928


COOPER CHARLOTTE SARAH F 1876 35 Ashbourne Derbyshire
COOPER CYRIL HERBERT M 1905 6 Ashbourne Derbyshire
COOPER IDA IRENA M 1909 2 Ashbourne Derbyshire
COOPER LILIAN MUREAL F 1902 9 Ashbourne Derbyshire
COOPER EVELINE MAY F 1900 11 Ashbourne Derbyshire

Full transcript of that 1911:

EVANS, John Thomas Head Married M 39 1872 Joiner Kenktish Town London
EVANS, Carrie Wife Married 17 years F 40 1871 Quorndon Derby
EVANS, Ethel Carrie Daughter Single F 16 1895 Surgical Bandage Finisher Derby
EVANS, Hilda Daughter F 8 1903 Derby
EVANS, John Son M 7 1904 Derby

Registration District: Derby Sub District: Derby Enumeration District: 32 Parish: Derby

Address: 26 Abbey St Derby County: Derbyshire

Three children born, all living.

1911 doing a free search -

HOUSEHOLD EVANS CARRIE F 1871 40 Derby Derbyshire
HOUSEHOLD EVANS ETHEL CARRIE F 1895 16 Derby Derbyshire
HOUSEHOLD EVANS HILDA F 1903 8 Derby Derbyshire
HOUSEHOLD EVANS JOHN M 1904 7 Derby Derbyshire
HOUSEHOLD EVANS JOHN THOMAS M 1872 39 Derby Derbyshire

Leslie perhaps?

Death
Name: Leslie Evans
Birth Date: 13 Oct 1914
Death Registration Month/Year: Dec 1988
Age at death (estimated): 74
Registration district: Derby
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 6
Page: 735

Birth
Births Dec 1914
EVANS Leslie Sadler Derby 7b 1125

Siblings
Births Mar 1912
EVANS Harold Sadler Derby 7b 1193

Births Mar 1916
Evans Vera Sadler Derby 7b 1027

Possible marriage for parents -

Marriages Dec 1893
Bull Thomas Derby 7b 888
*********Evans John Derby 7b 888
Ludlum Edith Derby 7b 888
**********Sadler Carrie Derby 7b 888
Wells Emma Derby 7b 888

This looks like a more likely marriage -

Name: Olive Cooper
Spouse Surname: Evans - Leslie
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1943
Registration district: Shardlow
Registration county (inferred): Derbyshire
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 1048

This birth fits the initial on the marriage:


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Olive G Cooper
Year of Registration: 1915
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Bailey
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 27