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Very odd! I've just spoken to my mother and Ambrose's siblings Margaret A, Richard, Robert, William, Jane, Elizabeth and Isabella all ring bells to her. However, on the 1911 census there is also a Thomas and Mary, which I need to check out. My mum doesn't recall anyone called Albert, but then that doesn't mean anything - she only knew that side of the family from the early '60s. Will investigate further!

Just occured to me that Annie must have only been about 16 when they married in 1911.

Seems unlikely that Albert WATSON b. 1907 was her son! Even Ambrose would have been quite young then. Could he actually be a brother??? Nothing matches in 1911 though, How odd.

Ah, I'm with you!

Wow, you've been a massive help! I'll continue researching along this route! Thank you very much! :)

Hey Fiona, no they married in 1911, and travelled to Australia in 1924 with their 3 children.

The first son was born in 1907 but I can't find his birth as Campbell. Not sure what happened to Jas b.1922

:)
enjoy!

Cherilyn, that's most interesting information! It would make sense, him being a caterer, as my mother said he'd ended up opening up a small hotel in Australia and when he used to visit family in Carlisle he would brag about his dishes!

Wow, so... (sorry to be dim) is 1924 the year of marriage?

Off to Google maps for a look at the house now! Thanks so much! :)

Also on same voyage:
WATSON Albert 1907 M 1924 London Australia Sydney
WATSON John 1914 M 1924 London Australia Sydney
WATSON Annie 1918 F 1924 London Australia Sydney


Marriages Dec 1911 (>99%)
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Campbell Annie Carlisle 10b 924
Watson Ambrose Carlisle 10b 924

Births Dec 1913 (>99%)
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Watson John Campbell Carlisle 10b 1066

Births Sep 1915 (>99%)
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Watson Female Campbell Carlisle 10b 1054

Deaths Sep 1915 (>99%)
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Watson Female 0 Carlisle 10b 612

Births Dec 1917 (>99%)
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Watson Annie Campbell Carlisle 10b 861

Births Dec 1922 (>99%)
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Watson James Campbell Carlisle 10b 942


Likely death for daughter Annie:
39641/1966 MCPHERSON ANNIE AMBROSE ANNIE KOGARAH

This must be him, but I think he's fudged his age to get in to the naval reserve in 1940 (as a cook - he was a caterer by trade):

WATSON AMBROSE : Service Number - 30761 : Date of birth - 14 May 1898 : Place of birth - CARLISLE ENGLAND : Place of enlistment - SYDNEY : Next of Kin - WATSON ANNIE

Annie was his wife. They lived at 114 Rosemont St, Punchbowl NSW. She travelled with him:

WATSON Annie 1896 F 1924 London Australia Sydney

If you go to Google maps there is a streetview of the house at the above address.

Oh wow, this definitely sounds like the Ambrose I've been after! My mum actually thought he died out in Australia so that would fit the family story!

And nice to finally find info on Isabella! Thank you so much! :)

New South Wales: Death

103515/1975 WATSON AMBROSE
Father AMBROSE
Mother MARGARET

Catherine

WATSON Ambrose 1892 M 1924 London Australia Sydney

Catherine

Births Jun 1905 (>99%)
Watson Isabella Carlisle 10b 624
Births Sep 1906 (>99%)
Watson Isabella Carlisle 10b 579

Catherine

Wow, you guys are wonderful! I'd be really lost without all your help right now so i hope you know it's much appreciated!

And I'll purchase a birth and marriage cert for my records anyhow and will be able to clarify things once they' have arrived :)

1911 but transcription is all wrong but image is Watson

WATER, Mrget Wife F 16 1895 Housewife Carlisle Cumberland VIEW
WATER, Ambrose Son Single M 58 1853 Carter Coal Carlisle Cumberland VIEW
WATER, Ellizzie Daughter Single F 16 1895 Factorial Tin Factory Carlisle Cumberland VIEW
WATER, Maggie Daughter F 14 1897 Factorial Tin Factory Carlisle Cumberland VIEW
WATER, Richard Son M 11 1900 School Carlisle Cumberland VIEW
WATER, Thomas Son M 8 1903 School Carlisle Cumberland VIEW
WATER, Isabella Daughter F 6 1905 School Carlisle Cumberland VIEW
WATER, Mary Daughter F 2 1909 Carlisle Cumberland VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
31331 Reference:
RG14PN31331 RG78PN1797 RD574 SD3 ED10 SN272

Registration District:
Carlisle Sub District:
St Mary Enumeration District:
10 Parish:
Carlisle

Address:
27 Queen St Carlisle



Margaret is 46, widow, and Ambrose is 20

Will add some corrections to FMP

No Isabella in 1891 census:
Ambrose Watson
Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margt Watson Gender: Male Where born: Newcastle Upon Tyne Civil parish: Caldewgate Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Carlisle County/Island: Cumberland Registration district: Carlisle Sub-registration district: St Mary ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Ambrose Watson 28
Margt Watson 23
Robert Watson 8
William Watson 3
Ambrose Watson 1
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4291; Folio 8; Page 10; GSU roll: 6099401.

Birth will give you the names of both parents :-)

Happy hunting :-)

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Deaths Mar 1911 (>99%)
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Watson Ambrose 47 Carlisle 10b 351

Oh gosh, I meant order a copy of the marriage cert. As you can see, it's obviously past my bed time!

Thank you to everyone else has posted too! I'm just catching up!

I will order a copy of the birth certificate and go from there - seems the only way forward!

Thank you all for your help!

Fiona

That's really interesting Catherine, thank you so much for your time and effort.
I wonder, then, if Isabella was an older sibling and had moved out of the house by the time of this census, or if she was born later...

As far as Ambrose Jn goes, my father did speak of an Uncle Ambrose who at some point had moved out to Australia and opened a hotel. I had discounted him as one of my Grandmother's siblings though, and assumed he was just a close family member my father referred to as "uncle" as someone contacted me earlier saying that Ambrose Watson Snr and Jnr, along with Robert and William were living in Byker, Newcastle - although I'm not sure which census they got this info from... My brain has gone to mush!

Thank you for your help though! Certainly food for thought!

Fiona

Name Margaret A Watson
Year of Marriage 1918
Quarter of Marriage Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District Carlisle
Registration County Cumberland
Spouse's Surname Roberts
Volume Number 10B
Volume Page 1033

Spouse Match: Margaret A WATSON married Henry ROBERTS

Name Henry Roberts
Year of Marriage 1918
Quarter of Marriage Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District Carlisle
Registration County Cumberland
Spouse's Surname Watson
Volume Number 10B
Volume Page 1033