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ON the 1841 census does it give the the relationship to the head of the family eg wife or son etc.

Thanks

Jane

No

Neither does it give place of birth -only if born in county or not

Thanks Glitter Baby

All the best

Jane

And ages of over-15's were rounded down to nearest '5'

Thanks Flick

Jane

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=8978&ti=5538&r=5538&o_xid=24149&o_lid=24149&offerid=0%3a21318%3a0

"This database will detail those persons enumerated in the 1841 Census of England and is an every-name index. In addition, the names of those listed on the population schedule are linked to the actual images of the 1841 Census, reproduced by courtesy of The National Archives, London, England. There are over 15,000 records accessible through this database.

The 1841 Census for England was taken on the night of 6 June 1841. All responses were to reflect the individual's status as of 6 June 1841 for all individuals who had spent the night in the house. People who were traveling or living abroad were enumerated at the location where they spent the night on census night.

Information in this database:

Name of street, avenue, road, etc.
House name or number
Surname of head of household
Name of persons who had spent the night in the household
Age*
Sex
Person’s occupation
Where born**

*The ages of people over 15 years old were usually rounded down to the nearest 5 years. For example, someone who was actually 24 years would have their age listed as 20, and someone who was actually 27 years old would have their age listed as 25.

**The "Where Born" column only asked two questions - 1) whether born in same county, and 2) whether born in Scotland, Ireland, or Foreign Parts. Possible answers and abbreviations to question #1 include: Yes (Y), No, (N), or Not Known (NK). For question #2, the following abbreviations were used: Scotland (S), Ireland (I), and Foreign Parts (F)."

Thank you very much for that information - Joy - Kentish Maid. That is very useful to have.

all the best

Jane

Joy - Kentish Maid

Changing the subject

On death certs do they usually tell you if the father is deceased or not?

Thanks

Jane

On English d.certs, they don't usually name any relatives.
The exception is the informant - if a rellie, then usually the relationship is stated - clearly no deceased father will ever be an informant.

You can see examples of English BMD certs near end at:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/documents/digitalasset/dg_186584.pdf

thank you very much for helping me.

I think i got the question wrong . I meant on marriage certs does it tell you if the father is alive or dead. I have a marriage cert which ha the father on it but I think he could be dead. Although it doesnt say he is deceased. Is this possible.

Thanks

Jane

Jane

That is perfectly possible!

The opposite is also true ........... certificates have been found where the father was said to be deceased when he was very much alive, only not living with the family!


So much depends on how a question is asked, and how much information someone wishes to disclose voluntarily.


If the vicar asked "what is your father's name and occupation?"

...... then the answer could very well be John Smith, coachman

If the vicar then asked "is your father alive?"

......... then the answer would be No, he's dead


But if the vicar didn't ask that second question, then there would often not be the voluntary addition of "but he's dead".


Don't forget, no-one had to show any proof of anything when they got married ........ unless they were under-age.


I didn't provide proof of my marital status, age or my dad's name when I got married in the late 1960's



You also have to be careful with ages on a marriage certificate.

It is not unknown for bride and groom to lie about their ages ......... it could be adding a couple of years so they were over 21, or adding or deducting a few years because of an age discrepancy


My own grandparents added a couple of years to both their ages ........ but still made themselves out to be under 21, and both their fathers were present. I can't understand that one!!!




Another thing you will probbaly find is that very often the address is the same for both the bride and groom


This often indicates that one or other of them did not come from "the parish". It was more expensive to get married if they came from different parishes ................. 2 sets of Banns to be called for example. So ................. they'd use the same address to save money!


It doesn't always mean that they were living together!




sylvia

Further to Sylvia's last point - I've come across a couple of instances where the groom has given his address as next door to the bride's home. In these two instances, the groom was living elsewhere less than a year earlier on a census. I don't KNOW he wasn't living next door, but I suspect he wasn't, and these were instances of banns fee reduction.

Sometimes they were actually living together. I know from family stories, my gran married her lodger. The m.cert shows them both living at my gran's house, and also shows the marriage took place at her house too (so not in England).

oh, the Victorians were by no means as prissy and straightlaced as so often depicted!!

Sylvia - I'm not quite as old as that - my gran's 2nd marr was Edwardian.

Jane - although there were minor census differences (on house descriptions and language spoken) between Scottish and English censuses, you can find free examples of censuses at:

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/Content/Help/index.aspx?r=554&611

Joy's given the free link to the 1841 census info - you can go to any year and see that year's census info (for free) below the search screen.

lol!


wasn't suggesting you were ........... although on re-reading what I put, it does look that way!




My grandparents were Victorian in upbringing ................ they married in 1902, aged 17 and 18 (or 18 and 20 if you believe their marriage certificate!).


oh yes .......... and Mum was born a little less than 8 months later :)))



sylvia

Thank you Sylvia and mgnv for all your help. The information you have given me is really useful.

The reason for all these questions is that I am trying to find the death of this Joseph Rushworth. Unfortunately I do not know when he died. Although I do know he probably died in Leeds, Yorkshire. Because he was born before 1800 I do not know exactly when he was born. I have not been able to find him on any census for certain although there is one possiblity on the 1841. If I could be sure he was alive when his son married that would narrow the search down abit

I did have a quick look at that link Joy gave me but I need to go back when I have a bit more time.

Sorry I have to go to work now but will look in when I get home tonight.
Thanks again

Jane

Jane

Have a look on the new beta.familysearch site www.familysearch.org/

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I asked for Joseph Rushworth, death, Yorkshire, 1820 +/- 20 years



there are several deaths during that time period (1800-1840) .......... you would Have a better idea than me of the areas in Yorkshire.






sylvia