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Thank you Jonesey

The 20th Halton Rifles records are sparce and I am told no record of a Augustus Large can be found in them.
However it was noted in his obituary that he had received Army Medals so perhaps he served in the British Army

Kind regards Marion

This link contains info about the 20th Halton Rifles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Company_%E2%80%93_The_Lorne_Scots

Update
Augustus had served in the 20th Halton Rifles before 2nd December 1914 according to his Attestation Paper in Canada, but I have not found any Halton Army Recorords
I have now found that Augustus Large died in Canada on the 15th Feb 1923 in the County or District of Wellington.

Beatrice did leave Canada on the 'Montroyal' on 3rd May 1928 and gives her proposed addess as c/o Pearse & Keele Solicitors, 6, St. Michaels Street, Southampton. I do not know what happened to her after this date.

I have not found Augustus in the 1891 census

Any help in filling in the last few gaps in Augustus and Beatrice's life would be much appreciated

Kind regards Marion

Arrived today,
Augustus William Large was born the son of Sarah ( Formerly Clarke ) and Augustus Large ( Inn Keeper ) 25th June 1867 Mildenhall in the sub-district of Lakenheath, Suffolk.
I Would be very grateful if anyone does have any ideas as to the deaths of Beatrice and Augustus, if they would kindly post them here please.
Thanks once again
Marion

It is a mystery why Augustus states he is single in 1914, as you say there is no reason if he and Beatrice had parted to name Sarah as next of kin, though perhaps more understandable if Beatrice had died and then 'single' was noted instead of widow. Only the date of Beatrice's death would give the answer.

I wonder why when Augustus arrives for a second time to Canada in 1921 whether perhaps he came back to England after World War One then went back to Canada or, perhaps he returned after serving extra time in the Army and had been posted elsewhere.

Thank you Linsey for starting the ball rolling and to Jonesey for all the indepth research on my behalf

I certainly believe that both Augustus and Beatrice intended to remain in Canada as Augustus states that his intended occupation in Canada was to be a labourer. There was not a British Bonus granted but that was what was paid to shipping agents rather than passengers who would receive a monetary bonus only on proof of settlement. The passenger list indicates that they were heading for Acton West which I believe is in Ontario.

Augustus signed on to the Canadian Expedition Force at Toronto on 1/12/1914. The fact that he is stated to be single at that time but gives his wife's (or exwife) mother as his next of kin is strange. It would certainly seem as though Beatrice may have been deceased by then. I cannot spot her death recorded in Ontario however. My gut feeling is that if Agustus and Beatrice had simply parted company in the conventional sense then Augustus would have not given Beatrice's mother as his next of kin.

Hi Jonesey

Thank you, yes you do have Beatrice's mother in the right address.
Sarah ( Powell ) married three times
1st was to William Potter in 1869
2nd was to Joseph Petitt in 1877 ( both died )
and lastly to George Bickers in 1884.

I have not yet found a relation that emigrated to Canada but will certainly keep it in mind.
It looks like Beatrice and Augustus may both have died in Canada,and Beatrice before the First World War as Augustus states his relative as Mrs. Bickire ( Probably Bickers )

There is now no doubt that the Augustus W Large who joined up in Canada in 1914 is your man. The address that Beatrice's mother lived at with George Bickers was 60 St Leonards Street, Bromley. See 1891 census record Class: RG12; Piece: 319; Folio 73; Page 2 for confirmation.

This record might also be him:

Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
Name: Augustus William Large
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Birth Place: Suffolk, Eng
Age: 52
Date of Arrival: Oct 1921
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Ship Name: Metagama

On the 1910 passenger list the Beatrice M Large states that she has come to Canada she is to visit an uncle.

Do you know whether any of her father or mothers siblings emigrated to Canada?

Thank You ! Augustus seems to use different birth dates, I will put the result of the birth I sent for here when if arrives ( being sent 1st April )

I certainly looks like they emigrated, I wonder what happened to Beatrice

For reference:

Death of his father?
Deaths Mar 1871 (>99%)
LARGE Augustus 29 Mildenhall 4a 347

1871:
Name: Augustus W Large
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Sarah Large (Widow)
Gender: Male
Where born: Mildenhall, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Mildenhall
Town: Mildenhall
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Mildenhall
Sub-registration district: Lakenheath
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 59
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Large 29
Augustus W Large 3
Mary A Large 6
Harriet Gudgeon 25


1881:
Name: Augustus W. Large
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Sarah Large
Gender: Male
Where born: Mildenhall, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Bury St Edmunds St James
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Eastgate St
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Bury St Edmunds
Sub-registration district: Bury St Edmunds
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Large 39
Augustus W. Large 13

They could have gone to live abroad Jonesey and Lindsey !
Augustus William names his father as Augustus on the marriage cetificate, and Beatrice's father was Joseph Petitt ( Mary as she named herself on the marriage )
I wonder if there is anyway of confirming an emigration Thank you both


Just sent for for the birth you posted Maddie. Thank you

Woops 25th June 1870 puts mine and Maddie's find out Jonesey, but Beatrice's mother remarried to a Bickers in St. Leonards Bromley and that makes your soldier find very interesting!

???

Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918:

Name: Augustas W Large
Birth Date: 25 Jun 1870
Birth Location: Burg St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Relative: Mrs Bickire 60 St Leonards St, Bromley Bow, London
Regiment Number: 57446
Occupation: Seaman

Described as Single.

As you are probably aware Mildenhall was in the parish of Bury St Edmunds.

??
BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Birth
Name: LARGE, Augustus William
Registration District: Help Mildenhall
County: Suffolk
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: Help 4A
Page No: Help 501

nadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 about Augustine W Large
Name: Augustine { Image Augustus} W Large Seaman.
Gender: Male
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Date of Arrival: 7 Jul 1910
Vessel: Lake Erie
Search Ship Database: View the 'Lake Erie' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Le Havre, France
Roll: T-4768

with Beatrice m

Me neither

No obvious baptisms from 1901 - 1906 on London Baptisms

In Canada perhaps???

1911 census of Canada:
Name: Agustus A Large
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 39
Birth Date: Jun 1871
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Immigration Year: 1910
Tribal: English
Province: Ontario
District: Halton
District Number: 76
Sub-District: Acton, part
Sub-District Number: 29
Place of Habitation: Crescent
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Agustus A Large 39
Beatrice M Large 31
Ernest J Burgers 34

sorry
can't find them
maddie

Augustus William Large aged 27 ( Although I believe he was born in 1867 ) married Beatrice Petitt ( Mary Beatrice Pettitt as she named herself ) in June 1897 Bow, London
In the 1901 census Augustus is a Fireman aged 31 years living with Beatrice aged 22 years at 3&4 Fire Station Shadwell, London.
Does anyone know where they are found in the 1911 census please.

Thank you
Marion