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hi there can anyone help me please ?Ive been looking for any information reguarding my mothers family she was called catherine mary scothern her farther was a john bowmar scothern & mother was a margaret mary scothern maiden name quirk.
now on my mothers marrige certificate i have found out that my mothers dad had died where it says rank & profession of farther it says deceased so he must have died between 1930 to 1951 ?also on the certificate theres a margaret mary ratcliffe as a witness im thinking she may of remarried her mother my grandmother so if any one can look up for me if a margaret mary scothern remarried then i can look into that name i just casnnot find any thing thank you so much yours david hoy sorry the marriage certificate is between my mother catherine mary scothern to a william guy graig hoy in 1951 thanks again

I see your mother was born 1930 in Manchester. If you are looking for a death for your grandfather there is this, but after her marriage:

Name: John B Scothern
Death Registration Month/Year: 1952
Age at death (estimated): 78
Registration district: Mansfield
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 3c
Page: 103

In passing, this person must be related somehow!

Name: John Bowmar Scothern
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Sheffield
County: South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 533

For ease of reading..........

hi there can anyone help me please ?

Ive been looking for any information reguarding my mothers family

she was called catherine mary scothern

her farther was a john bowmar scothern & mother was a margaret mary scothern maiden name quirk.

now on my mothers marrige certificate i have found out that my mothers dad had died

where it says rank & profession of farther it says deceased so he must have died between 1930 to 1951 ?

also on the certificate theres a margaret mary ratcliffe as a witness

im thinking she may of remarried her mother my grandmother

so if any one can look up for me if a margaret mary scothern remarried then i can look into that name

i just casnnot find any thing thank you so much yours david hoy

sorry the marriage certificate is between my mother catherine mary scothern to a william guy graig hoy in 1951 thanks again

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When asking for help, David, location info is vital

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This MAY be a coincidence

Marriages Sep 1946 (>99%)
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Colebourn Catherine Scothern Manchester 10e 637
Scothern John B Colebourn Manchester 10e 637

Do you have your mother's birth cert?

There isn't a marriage on freebmd for her parents as named...........

thank you yes it was in manchester the wedding could you manage to find out if margaret mary scothern remarried & yrs i think thats him they must have spelt his name bowman but infact it is bowmar if you could find any more i would appreciate it thank you again david

i have my mothers birth certificate it says born 29th may 1930 st marys hospital manchester mother catherine mary father john bowmar scothern mother fomerly quirk they lived in cuddington if thats any help i would like to know if my grand mother remarried for i didnt know any of my family cheers to you all x

how weird is that then flick ? why would it say quirk as maiden name ???

Just thinking aloud...........................

Name: John Bowmar Scotherne
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Stafford
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 52
Edith Harper OR Teresa Mary Hussey

Name: John Bowmar Scothern
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Sheffield
County: South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 7
Elizabeth Bennett OR Ellen Gerrard

it has to be the top one but the spelling is totaly wrong spelling its scothern also the bottom one would make him 93 in 1951 so i will have to go with the top one ! did any one manage to fine out about a margaret mary scothern weither she remarried ??? it would be great if i could look in the right direction for a change instead of chasing my tale lol

1901 for 1898 marriage..........probably

Name: Theresa Scothorn
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John B Scothorn
Gender: Female
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Stafford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Stafford
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Registration district: Stafford
Sub-registration district: Stafford
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 221
Household Members: Name Age
John B Scothorn 25
Theresa Scothorn 21
John H R Scothorn 4 Months

No help with your immediate problem, I know.

If you can't find a marriage for your grandparents, you have no way of knowing when they were born, and therefore, no way of looking for their deaths

If any marriage had been found, the info would have been posted.

BUT.........until we know for certain that Miss Quirk married Mr Scothern, we can't even be sure which surname to search under.

SO...............find the 'marriage'............and then we can go from there.

Also....if you're going to worry about slight differences in spelling, you're going to get nowhere............

As I said.....didn't you notice? - I was 'thinking aloud'!

sorry i didnt but wasnt being funny about that i was just saying sorry if sounded rude flick

would they of been able to put on birth certificates that they were married if they wasnt was it the nomal thing to do in them days ???

Sorry for the musings but this might be connected with the family:

Marriages Jun 1898 (>99%)
Harper Edith Stafford 6b 52
HUSSEY Teresa Mary Stafford 6b 52
Kite George Stafford 6b 52
Scotheene John Bowmar Stafford 6b 52
Scotherne John Bowmar Stafford 6b 52

Births Dec 1912 (>99%)
Scothern Charles Hussey Stoke T. 6b 367

David, people told all sorts of white lies on certs - made-up fathers, you name it!
Jan

David

Nowhere on a birth cert in England and Wales is there anything to say that the parents are married

And I wasn't suggesting you were being rude........so no worries there!

Jan

That's the marriage I posted for which I found 1901.................so we're both thinking aloud on the same theme..........lol!

This is the chap who died in 1952

Births Mar 1874 (>99%)
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Scothern John Bernard Mansfield 7b 73
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His marriage

Marriages Jun 1899 (>99%)
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Scothern John Bernard Mansfield 7b 227

and this confirms which lady John married in 1898

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1898
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SCOTHERNE John Bowmar HUSSEY Teresa Mary Civil Marriage (Stafford) Stafford SDRO/13/123