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William John Gardiner born 26.11.1979 and died 10.10.1964. He died in Huyton Liverpool but I cannot find any records in births or deaths. Can any one help me please?

"William John Gardiner born 26.11.1979 and died 10.10.1964."

That was a good trick (lol).

I presume that you have entered one of the dates incorrectly.

???
Name: William J Gardiner
Death Registration Month/Year: 1964
Age at death (estimated): 84
Registration district: Prescot
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10f
Page: 194

I was given these dates by my father. May be the birth date was 1878 as he was 86 when he died. Thanks for your help

Possibility for his birth if he was born in Lancashire:

Name: William John Gardiner
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 310

Have you found him in the 1881 census?

N.B. Possible death record added to my earlier post.

1901 poss
Name: William J Gardiner
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Walton On The Hill
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 199
Household Members: Name Age
Charles J Gardiner 23
William J Gardiner 21
Susan Gardiner 50

Thanks again. The death seems right but I know he was bor on 26th November no birth doesn't seem correct. Found him on 1881 census as Wm. Jno Gardiner living with his mother Susan

Yes the 1901 census is the correct one. Thank you

Margaret,

People have up to 6 weeks after the event to register a birth so a birth on 26/11/1879 could quite legitimately and legally be registered in early January 1880.

Here he is 'mistranscribed' on 1911:

GARDINES, Willliam John Head Married M 31 1880 Manager Of Office Liverpool Lancs
GARDINES, Alice Wife Married 7 years F 30 1881 Liverpool Lancs
GARDINES, Clarnet Son M 6 1905 Liverpool Lancs *(should be Clarence)*
GARDINES, Edith Daughter F 3 1908 Liverpool Lancs
GARDINES, William Son M 1 1910 Liverpool Lancs
GARDINES, Susan Mother Widow F 60 1851 Wigtown Wigtownshire


RG14PN23825 RG78PN1378C RD464 SD2 ED124 SN142

Registration District:
Chorlton Sub District:
Ardwick Enumeration District:
124 Parish:
South Manchester

Address:
22 Hartley St Levenshulme County:
Lancashire

They have had 4 children - 1 has died before 1911 census.


Dea x

Thank you for all your help. Didn't realise you had six weeks to register a birth. 1911 census is correct too as Clarence was my father and the child who died was only three days old.

pm from Margaret:

I have found the marriage certificate now and it states the following
Marriage January 27th 1877 The Parish Church Walton on the Hill Everton. Ages shown as full.
James's father was also James Gardiner a deceased confectioner
Susan's father was Charles a deceased mariner.
I still cannot get further back but I am going to Liverpool next week to search the archives and tour the cemeteries.

So........ working from this.......

1881 England Census
about Susan Gardiner Name: Susan Gardiner
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Isabella Mc Kenna
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Everton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 49 Anderson St
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Isabella Mc Kenna 59
Susan Gardiner 30 *****, daughter, widow.
Chas. Mc Kenna 28
Peter S. Mc Kenna 25
Isabella Shapton 22
John Shapton 26
Eliza Jane Mc Kenna 17
Chas. Jas. Gardiner 3 *****
Wm. Jno. Gardiner 1 *****

at 49 Anderson St.

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3661; Folio: 67; Page: 15; GSU roll: 1341877.
........

The marriage:

Marriages Mar 1877

Gardiner James West Derby 8b 640
McKENNA Susan W. Derby 8b 640
................

'Possible' death for James?

Deaths Dec 1880
GARDNER James 33 Liverpool 8b 163
................

This would then be James and his family before his marriage to Susan.
Looks like quite a wealthy family in a 'posh' area.

1871 England Census
about James Gardiner Name: James Gardiner
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Gardiner
Mother's Name: Rose J D Gardiner
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 66
Household Members: Name Age
James Gardiner 58 Navy Biscuit Manufacturer.
Rose J D Gardiner 37
James Gardiner 24 ****
Sarah A Gardiner 19
Jessie R Gardiner 5
Ada E Gardiner 4
Edward H Gardiner 3
Mary Gardiner 1
Mary L Linster 25 cook
Delina Sutherland 21 housemaid
Elizabeth Mooney 17 nurse.

at 16A Abercromby Square.

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3783; Folio: 45; Page: 12; GSU roll: 841893.

.........

You should be able to get a lot further now Margaret.

Come back to this thread if you need anything more.

Dea x

Thanks very much Dea this is a great help

You are welcome Margaret.

Dea x

James Gardiner Snr. died at Abercromby Square on 5th May 1891.
He left a Will + Codicil which was 'proved' on 31st July at Liverpool.
His 'personal estate' totalled £1,774. 16s 6d.

It 'might' contain some useful information - have a look to see if you can trace it.
National Archives site perhaps?

Dea x

P.S. - It might interest you to know that in today's value that would equate to around £157675.00

Dea x

Thank you. I am trying to find his first wife now as Rose was too young to have the first child James. Thanks very much
Margaret

1861

Name: James Gardiner
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Gardiner
Mother's Name: Ann Grace Gardiner
Gender: Male
Where born: Lpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 15e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members: Name Age
James Gardiner 48 b. Goodrich, Herefordshire.......Ship Bread baker
Ann Grace Gardiner 48 b. Halewood
Jane Gardiner 19
James Gardiner 14
Sarah A Gardiner 9
Mary Conboy 22
Ann Jenions 26


Address: 107 Grove Street

1851

Name: James Gardiner
Age: 28 ************************38 on image
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily Gardiner
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Whitchurch, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 1i
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
James Gardiner 28 Ship Bread Baker
Emily Gardiner 38 b. Halewood
James Gardiner 4
Jane Gardiner 9
John Hughes 23
Mary A Hortinbar 30

Address: 84, Duke Street

Not sure why his wife is listed as Emily in 1851...perhaps the enumerator had been at the bottle!

Marriages Mar 1840 (>99%)
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BURGESS Elizabeth Liverpool 20 144
CONWAY John Liverpool 20 144
FOWLKES Jane Liverpool 20 144
GARDINER James Liverpool 20 144 <<<<<<<<<<<<
GRIFFITH Edward Liverpool 20 144
KIRKHAM Ann Grace Liverpool 20 144 <<<<<<<<<<
SEPHTON William Liverpool 20 144
__________________________________________

Confirmation from Lancsbmd

1840

KIRKHAM Anne G GARDINER James Liverpool, St. Bride With St. Saviour Liverpool 2047LP/1/215

Name: James Gardiner
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 78
District: Liverpool (1837-1934)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 114

Hi Margaret - I have found you a 'Gem'.........

A notice was placed in the Liverpool Daily Post and the Echo on 7th May.
It read:

Gardiner, May 5th at his residence 16a Abercromby Square, in his 79th year,
James Gardiner. Will be interred at Walton Church on Saturday next the 9th inst.
At 11.30. No flowers. No cards.

Check out this website - it will give you lots more to look at while you are in Liverpool.
Hope I am not to late with the info.

http://www.gardinerhistory.0catch.com/James%20Gardiner.htm

Enjoy..........

Dea x