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JustDinosaurJill
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18 Mar 2011 19:58 |
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Please would someone with access to the 1841 take a look at an entry and give an opinion on it for me.
It's the h/h of Matthew Jackson in South Shields bn circa 1790. In the h/h are his wife Mary and dtrs Jane and Ann.
Because of the way groups are bracketed it looks like they are a complete h/h but underneath there is an entry for William Cotton age 10.
Any idea what the curved squiggle after Cotton is?
Underneath his entry are three other people age 55, 60 and 15 who also aren't bracketed together. I haven't found family connection to William Cotton (yet) and the other surnames don't mean anything to me.
My interpretation of these entries is that William Cotton is in the h/h of my Matthew Jackson as surely a ten year old would not be living alone even then.
I was also wondering if the line across the 'inhabited'/'names' boxes that nearly always seems to be at the completion of the household is exactly that to signify the end of one property and beginning of another.
Thanks for taking a look.
Jill
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18 Mar 2011 20:04 |
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1841 census - household transcription Person: JACKSON, Matthew Address: Shadwell Street, Jarrow, Shields, South
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JACKSON, Matthew M 50 1791 Scotland VIEW JACKSON, Mary F 50 1791 Durham VIEW JACKSON, Jean F 20 1821 Durham VIEW JACKSON, Ann F 15 1826 Durham VIEW COTTON, William M 10 1831 Durham VIEW WAKE, Mary F 55 1786 Durham VIEW SHOTTON, John M 60 1781 Durham VIEW MARSHALL, Margret F 15 1826 Durham VIEW COOPER, William M 25 1816 Durham VIEW COOPER, Jane F 20 1821 Durham VIEW COOPER, George M 0 (7 months) 1841 Durham VIEW PEACOCK, Margt F 25 1816 Ireland VIEW PEACOCK, George M 4 1837 Durham VIEW PEACOCK, Jane F 2 1839 Durham VIEW WALTON, Isabella F 40 1801 Durham VIEW No sorry I cannot see who he belongs to either
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AnnCardiff
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18 Mar 2011 20:06 |
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William Cotton England and Wales Census, 1841 birth: 1831 — Durham christening: baptism: death: burial: residence: 1841 — Jarrow, Shields, South, Durham, England parents: spouse: child: marriage: record title: England and Wales Census, 1841 name: William Cotton event: Census event date: 1841 gender: Male age: 10 birthplace: Durham record type: Household registration district: Shields, South sub-district: Shields, South civil parish: Jarrow county: Durham
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patchem
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18 Mar 2011 20:07 |
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This is not answering your question, but I have family members, as children, on their own in a household because their parents are away that night. Or that is how I interpreted it.
The enumerator is very keen on his brackets, his own, private, system?
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Dea
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18 Mar 2011 20:09 |
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I can't be of very much help, I am sorry.
I have looked at the image and it does appear that William is in the same household as the Jackson family above.
I cannot work out what that curved 'squiggle' would be and there are no other similar marke on any other families around.
Perhaps someone else can do better?
Dea Xxx
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AnnCardiff
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18 Mar 2011 20:09 |
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1881
William COTTON Other M Male 40 Sunderland, Durham, England Master George Thomas POULTNY Other M Male 42 London, Surrey, England Chf Mate John George GROOMBRIDGE Other M Male 38 Sunderland, Durham, England 2nd Mate William HUNNAM Other M Male 36 Hilton, Durham, England Carpenter Frederick DIZNAN Other U Male 22 London, Surrey, England Boatswain Stephen READ Other W Male 46 R..., Kent, England Seaman Robert W. WRIGHT Other M Male 44 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Seaman Thomas Hny. MATTHEWS Other M Male 29 London, Surrey, England Seaman Charles MARSHALL Other M Male 56 London Bermondsey , London, Middlesex, England Seaman George William MORRIS Other U Male 22 London, Surrey, England Seaman Charles Desmond HAMMON Other U Male 20 Tunstall, Suffolk, England Seaman Henry PESKETT Other U Male 16 Woolwich Boy John ROBINSON Other M Male 52 Walton, Northumberland, England Chf Engineer George MEAD Other M Male 47 Deptford, Kent, England 2nd Engineer Thomas WATERFALL Other M Male 44 Deptford, Kent, England Craneman Ambros FORD Other M Male 66 Stepney, Middlesex, England Fireman John CASTLE Other U Male 23 Deptford, Kent, England Fireman Harry AMEY Other U Male 27 Deptford, Kent, England Fireman Albert CRAMP Other M Male 26 Down, Kent, England Fireman John ADAMS Other M Male 41 Margate, Kent, England Chf Steward (Continued)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Vessel "Hawk" Census Place Cliffe, Kent, England Family History Library Film 1341209 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0883 / 38 Page Number 1
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patchem
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18 Mar 2011 20:12 |
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I think the enumerator brackets families together. William Cotton is in the same household, but not a member of the family. So I agree with you.
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**Ann**
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18 Mar 2011 20:16 |
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Agree with Patchem, as for the squiggle.......I think that is just what it is.
Strange if you search Cotton/Jarrow he is the only one.
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MarieCeleste
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18 Mar 2011 20:17 |
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By address search this is listed as one household:
Sched 3592 JACKSON, Matthew M 50 1791 Scotland 3592 JACKSON, Mary F 50 1791 Durham 3592 JACKSON, Jean F 20 1821 Durham 3592 JACKSON, Ann F 15 1826 Durham 3592 COTTON, William M 10 1831 Durham 3592 WAKE, Mary F 55 1786 Durham 3592 SHOTTON, John M 60 1781 Durham 3592 MARSHALL, Margret F 15 1826 Durham 3592 COOPER, William M 25 1816 Durham 3592 COOPER, Jane F 20 1821 Durham 3592 COOPER, George M 0 1841 Durham 3592 PEACOCK, Margt F 25 1816 Ireland 3592 PEACOCK, George M 4 1837 Durham 3592 PEACOCK, Jane F 2 1839 Durham 3592 WALTON, Isabella F 40 1801 Durham
Civil Parish: Jarrow Municipal Borough: Shields, South Address: Shadwell Street, Jarrow, Shields, South County: Durham
Strangely, they have a 1 year old child as a household in another part of the street.
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JustDinosaurJill
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18 Mar 2011 20:20 |
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Thank you all for taking the time to look for me. I'll keep William in mind as I keep finding more family. I've been really lucky with this line thanks to the family never going anywhere, all being hatched, matched and dispatched in the same church.
Excitingly for me, I now think that Mary, Matthew's wife is Mary Manuel and I have three in FamilySearch to choose from who were born in the county compared to three further ones who were not.
So I'm just a little bit Spanish. :)
Thanks again for all your opinions.
Jill
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Alan
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18 Mar 2011 20:36 |
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the squiggle, looks like it could be a question mark. was the enumerator not sure of the name?
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JustDinosaurJill
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18 Mar 2011 21:07 |
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Hi Alan.
I wondered if it was a question mark too but it seemed quite a daft thought. Not daft that you and I thought about it but presumably the enumerator asked the names in the household so you would have thought that they would know the names. Unless of course something like William being a foundling so not actually knowing his name for certain.
Jill
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Alan
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18 Mar 2011 21:28 |
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im wondering if he could of been there just playing on the night. there is a jane hotton living in the same street, aged 55. could the ( ? mark) ? be that his name is hotton not cotton ? also intriging there is a margaret shotton living in the same street, aged 65, could she be john shottons wife? could there be a enumator cock-up? shotton-hotton-cotton? were the jacksons just having a party on the night?
regards alan
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18 Mar 2011 21:28 |
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I was thinking that maybe it was just that a squiggle........but found it strange there were no other Cottons in Jarrow.......but lots of Shottons nearby??????????
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patchem
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18 Mar 2011 21:39 |
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Matthew Jackson was a master mariner, so I was assuming William Cotton was a cabin boy that was staying with them. Perhaps that is me being fanciful, but if AoGG is correct with 1881, he was a sailor.
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Alan
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18 Mar 2011 21:43 |
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hi jillian, sorry i was late replying to your message. i was checking all the names in their street. its possible the jacksons didnt know williams last name. so he might of tried to tell the enumarator himself.( did he have a speach problem) we will never know. just some ideas im throwing at you. regards alan
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JustDinosaurJill
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18 Mar 2011 22:09 |
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Thanks everyone again. I love all your ideas. As you say Alan, we will never know. Except that I live in hope.
Jill
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