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Hi Just come accross a second marriage is there any records to search for divorce
I have James Gilligan marrying Jane Savage 1874 with copy of mar cert and I have census coverage up to 1901, but I have now come accross a marriage
Jane Savage Gilligan in 1888 to Edward Mulvannah and they have children and are on census.
Cannot trace another marriage for James but do have him living after Jane Savage marraige with a Jane on 1901 census 16 Broadie St? mANCHESTER he is easy to find as born in USA.
aBSOLUTELY STUCK ON THIS ONE ANY HELP TO SOLVE MUCH APPRECIATED.

Alsop is there any where you can check adoption records.
Thanks Sharon

Hi Sharon,

There are Divorce records on FMP.......am looking.... so far no luck.

Regards Vera

HI WHAT IS FMP NOT HEARD OF THAT ONE
THANKS SHARON SOORY TO EARLY FOR ME fIND MY PAST!

Sorry Sharon, no luck.

Regards Vera

Sharon, Sorry yes it is Findmypast.

Regards Vera

Sorry off to work so cannot reply will check back in later
Thanks

Divorce is highly unlikely due to the costs involved, they can be searched on the National Archives website, but I've looked and no sign of one.

The only place I can see Jane Savage name mentioned relating to the marriage to Edward Mulvannah is on Lancashirebmd, and I wonder if it is a mistake? On the original index of marriages I would have expected to see Edward listed twice but he isn't, nor is there a listing for Jane Savage on the index just one for Jane Gilligan.

Also, Jane Gilligan, born Ireland and husband James appear together on the census going to 1911, although I think they have put his as also born Ireland on that one.

The only way to be sure would be to get a copy of the marriage certificate.

Adoption records are not accessible to anyone other than the adoptee, but official adoptions only started sometime in the 1920s before this time they were informal arrangements. Lots of information can be found on this site:
http://www.norcap.org.uk/

No adoption records until the mid-1920's....and they are accessible only to the people directly concerned

Divorce was extremely rare in the 19th century.

People just 'moved on'....and told lies when marrying again.

BUT................are you 100% certain that this Jane is the woman who married James?

Marriages Mar 1888 (>99%)
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Dolan Margaret Manchester 8d 317
Flattley Thomas Frederick Manchester 8d 317
GILLIGAN Jane Manchester 8d 317 <<<<<<<<<<NO mention of 'Savage'
MULVANNAH Edward Manchester 8d 317 <<<<<<<<<<


How can you possibly have census coverage for James and Jane up to 1901............and think that Jane married someone else in 1888?

Have you cross-referenced the birth years and birthplaces of the two Janes?

1881 for reference

James GILLIGAN Head M Male 32 New York, America Joiners Labourer
Jane GILLIGAN Wife M Female 30 Dunboyne, Ireland Housekeeper (Lhk)
Mary GILLIGAN Daur Female 5 Manchester, Lancashire, England
Thomas GILLIGAN Son Male 4 Manchester, Lancashire, England
Christy GILLIGAN Son Male 2 Manchester, Lancashire, England
James GILLIGAN Son Male 3 m Manchester, Lancashire, England

1891

Jane was born in MANCHESTER

Name: Jane Mulvannah
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Edward Mulvannah
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancaster; Manchester

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Mulvannah 33
Jane Mulvannah 33
Thomas Mulvannah 7
Mary J Mulvannah 4
Teresa Mulvannah 2
Ada Gilligan 13 Visitor

1891

Name: James Gilligan
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Gilligan
Gender: Male
Where born: New York, United States

Civil parish: Chorlton On Medlock
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Gilligan 43
Jane Gilligan 42
Joseph Gilligan 17
Mary Gilligan 16
Thomas Gilligan 14
Christopher Gilligan 12
Sissy Gilligan 8
William Brown 53
William Caine 45
Frederick Williams 59


Q.E.D.

The other Jane Gilligan was with Ada (3) in lodgings on the 1881 census, I spotted her and wondered as the ages were similar:

TODD, Peter Head Married M 31 1850 Chairmaker
Manchester
Lancashire VIEW
TODD, Hannah Wife Married F 31 1850
Manchester
Lancashire VIEW
TODD, William Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
Manchester
Lancashire VIEW
TODD, John Peter Son Single M 3 1878
Manchester
Lancashire VIEW
TODD, Hannah Daughter Single F 0 1881
Manchester
Lancashire VIEW
GILLIGAN, Jane Lodger F 32 1849 Cotton Waste Sorter
Manchester
Lancashire VIEW
GILLIGAN, Ada Lodger Single F 3 1878
VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
3978 Folio:
43 Page:
19

Registration District:
Manchester Sub District:
Ancoats Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Manchester Municipal Borough:
Address:
48, Primrose St, Manchester County:
Lancashire

Thanks for all your info sorry late reply internet went down. I have just joined ancestry where Jane Savage came up as a ahint for some one elses tree where she has my Jane marrying Mulvannah and having children with a direct link to the tree owner.
Do Lancs free BMD have many transcribed errors.
From what you have all said think my tree is right as I do have census to 1911.
Thanks for your help and advise about sites saves me messing up my tree completely.
Do you do this professionally or just hooked on the puzzle solving as I fear I am getting that way.
Thanks Flip Flick and Vera

Sharon,
I do not do this professionally....I am an addicted amateur :-)) I love the detective work.

Regards Vera

We are all just paying GR members like you.

TIP: Don't get led astray by other peoples' trees........their research may not be thorough.

Rely on your own findings, as long as you have taken care to verify them.

Cheers

From another hooked amateur, Flick is right about not trusting other peoples trees. I've fallen into that trap which in some cases has prooved wildly wrong.

It's strange that Lancashirebmd have this information though. I thought they transcribed from the original regional registers not from the central index. Maybe the only way to know for sure is to contact them so they can check if an error has been made and correct their records if necessary. Just in case you don't have the entry as it appears in their records:

Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
GILLIGAN Jane MULVANNAH Edward Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended Manchester MCR_RM/117/130
MULVANNAH Edward GILLIGAN Jane Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended Manchester MCR_RM/117/130
MULVANNAH Edward SAVAGE Jane Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended Manchester MCR_RM/117/130
SAVAGE Jane MULVANNAH Edward Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended Manchester MCR_RM/117/130