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Thanks so much everybody - seems you are right they were using the name Walter rather than Fitzwalter.
I vaguely remember an Uncle Percy who we saw occasionally but no mention of any of the rest of the family. Have a photograph of Elizabeth Williams.

This looks to be James Percival and Samuel in 1901

Name: James P Williams
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Rotherhithe, London, England

Civil parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Say ? Cutter

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 568
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel T Williams 22 -1879 born: Rotherhithe, London (Commercial Clerk)
James P Williams 19
Ann Homeybale 80 - born: Mayate, Kent

(that's intersting:- Ann Homeybale is noted granddaughter, wonder if that should be grandmother?)

and living next door ??:-
Name: Henry T Williams
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Rotherhithe, London, England

Civil parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Stay ? Manufacturer

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 567
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry T Williams 28
Ellen Williams 27 born: Deptford, London
Montague Williams 2

cant find them at all on the 1901!!

My fault, I think .......should have been more precise with my wording, Should have reversed the order of those comments

Re-reading them, I can see what you picked up on!

Sorry Flick, it's just the way it was written down:-

NB:

Fitzwalter is Married.............

7 children born in marriage - all living

.......I read that the children were Fitzwalters. My mistake, sorry!

im wrong,
we have all the children.
henry
samual
walter-fitzwalter
john
percy-james percival
thomas
william
but william is missing from the1891 census

Nobody mentioned ANY children for Fitzwalter!!!!!!

Henry and Elizabeth had 7 children so are you sure the 7 children were Fitzwalter's?

1871?

Name: Henry Williams
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 127
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Williams 36
Elizabeth Williams 24 born: St George in The East, Middlesex, England
Henry Williams 1

hi maureen,
it looks like his parents dropped the fitz in the censuses,
also used percy for james.
as flick said there were 7 children born all alive so we are still missing a sibling

His baptism???

Name: Fitzwilliam Williams
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1880
Baptism Date: 24 Nov 1880
Father's Name: Henry Williams
Occupation: Labourer
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Williams
Parish or Poor Law Union: Rotherhithe St Barnabas
Borough: Southwark
Address: 24 Suffolk Street

Date of birth is noted as :- Dec.16th 1878


Also baptised on the same day:-

Name: John Williams
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1880
Baptism Date: 24 Nov 1880
Father's Name: Henry Williams
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Williams
Parish or Poor Law Union: Rotherhithe St Barnabas
Borough: Southwark
Date of birth is noted as :- Oct.22nd 1879

Would I be wrong in believing to interpret his name properly it actually means illigitimate son of Walter. I realise his father is supposed to be Henry. Maybe that's why he was registered as Fitz and maybe that's the reason he was never mentioned.

Jill

1881 England Census
about Walter Williams Name: Walter Williams
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry Williams
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Rotherhithe, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Rotherhithe
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 21 Suffolk St
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Williams 44
Elizabeth Williams 36
Henry Williams 12
Samuel Williams 10
William Williams 7
Walter Williams 3
John Williams

Name: Fitzwalter Williams
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 185
Emily Elizabeth Douglas OR Elizabeth Jane Hall

Person: WILLIAMS, Fitzwalter
Address: 12 Delaford Road Rotherhithe New Road S E

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WILLIAMS, Elizabeth Head Widow F 66 1845 St Georges in the East London VIEW
WILLIAMS, Fitzwalter Son Married M 33 1878 General Laborer Rotherhithe London VIEW
WILLIAMS, James Percival Son Single M 29 1882 Postman Rotherhithe London VIEW
WILLIAMS, Thomas George Son Single M 24 1887 Tea Brokers Clerk Rotherhithe London VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2541 Reference:
RG14PN2541 RG78PN85 RD27 SD4 ED22 SN173

Registration District:
Camberwell Sub District:
St George Enumeration District:
22 Parish:
Camberwell


NB:

Fitzwalter is Married.............

7 children born in marriage - all living

think ive found them?1891 England Census
about Walter Williams Name: Walter Williams
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry Williams
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Rotherhithe, London, England

Civil parish: St Paul Deptford
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Deptford
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 44
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Williams 55
Elizabeth Williams 46
Henry Williams 21
Samuel Williams 19
Walter Williams 13
John Williams 11
Percy Williams 9
Thomas Williams 4

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1877 (>99%)
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WILLIAMS Fitzwalter St. Olave 1d 309


The district St. Olave is an alternative name for St Olave Southwark and it spans the boundaries of the counties of London and Surrey;

Williams Fitzwalter Hale Camberwell 1d 1371

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Marriages Dec 1925 (>99%)
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Williams Fitzwalter Goodrum W.Ham 4a 410

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Deaths Jun 1927 (>99%)
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Williams Fitzwalter 82 Woolwich 1d 981

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Deaths Jun 1941 (>99%)
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Williams Fitzwalter 71 Epping 4a 461

Neither ages at death match. I used Free BMD and searched as up to date as I was able.

Jill

I have just found from 1911 census that my maternal grandfather, Thomas George Williams had a brother Fitzwalter born c.1877. I never heard mention of him in the family and apart from the 1911 census there seems to be no other trace of him. Does any member have any connection to or knowledge of Fitzwalter. There was another brother James Percival b.1882 - mother Elizabeth and father Henry. Boys all born in Rotherhithe.