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And Dea has come up with proof that Helen's maiden surname was Wilson! The 1861 census shows that David and Helen were alive after statutory registration began. You have an approximate birthyear for each of them from that census. You have Helen's maiden surname which can be used for cross-referencing her death entry. Look on Scotlandspeople for her death first and that will help you narrow the timescale for David's death - assuming that they remained in Scotland.

hi jane, their names are on the 1851 census!

david and helen.

regards alan

Thanks for all the help, alan was spot on with his census records, now its just to find out thomas moffats parents names

thanks again

looks like mary remarried.
1901 Scotland Census
about Archibald Moffat Name: Archibald Moffat
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relationship: Stepson
Mother's Name: Mary Simpson
Gender: Male
Where born: Dalkeith, Midlothian
Registration Number: 410
Registration district: Beath
Civil parish: Beath
County: Fife
Address: Woodend Place
Occupation: Coal Miner
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 39
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1901_131
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Simpson 39
Mary Simpson 48
Archibald Moffat 21
John Moffat 17
Bennet Moffat 15
Robert Moffat 13
Maggie Moffat 12
Wilhelmine Simpson 11
Charles Stewart 21
David Goodall 20

looks like it could be the same family in 1891.
1891 Scotland Census
about Mary M Moffat Name: Mary M Moffat
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Dalkeith, Edinburghsh
Registration Number: 683
Registration district: Dalkeith
Civil parish: Dalkeith
Town: Dalkeith
County: Midlothian
Address: Hislop's Close
ED: 11
Household schedule number: 55
Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1891_331
Household Members: Name Age
Mary M Moffat 39
Thos Moffat 19
Alex Moffat 17
Jane Moffat 14
Arche Moffat 10
John Moffat 7
Bennet Moffat 5
Robert Moffat 3
Margt Moffat 1
Elizabeth Moffat 2 MO

no thomas.

hi jane,
looking at the marriage for thomas and mary muir, on family search and then births for their children. it looks like the 71 and81 census are correct. but i cant find them on the 1901. do you know if they moved to england?
regards alan.

1861 Census

Name: David Moffat
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Helen Moffat
Gender: Male
Where born: Liberton, Edinr
Registration Number: 689
Registration district: Inveresk
Civil parish: Inveresk
County: Midlothian
Address: Cottage Lane
Occupation: Stone Miner
ED: 8
Household schedule number: 263
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1861_130
Household Members: Name Age
David Moffat 57
Helen Moffat 58
John Moffat 20
William Moffat 17
Thomas Moffat 13



If David and Helen remained in Scotland, you should be able to find their deaths on Scotlandspeople as they died after statutory registration began in 1855. Their death entries may give the names of their parents (including the mothers maiden surname) if the informant knew the details.

Brother William from 1851 census? (If the one Alan posted is the correct one)?

Name: William Shawcross Moffat
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 01 Oct 1843
Baptism/Christening Place: , INVERESK WITH MUSSELBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 04 Aug 1843

Father's Name: David Moffat
Mother's Name: Helen Wilson

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C19502-8
System Origin: Scotland-VR
Source Film Number: 1067758
Reference Number: 2:18QD1GK
Collection: Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

Dea x

P.S. - Other christenings from Alan's 1851 census also confirm mothers maiden name as 'Wilson'

Dea x

and
1881 Scotland Census
about Thomas Moffat Name: Thomas Moffat
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Moffat
Gender: Male
Where born: Musselbro, Edinburghsh
Registration Number: 683
Registration district: Dalkeith
Civil parish: Dalkeith
Town: Dalkeith
County: Midlothian
Occupation: General Labourer
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 96
Line: 21
Roll: cssct1881_277
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Moffat 33
Mary Moffat 28
David Moffat 12
Mary Moffat 10
Thomas Moffat 9
Alexander Moffat 8
Jane G Moffat 4
Elizabeth R Moffat 2
Archibald P Moffat 11 MO

This looks interesting?

Image is not available online.
Search collectionName: Thomas Moffat
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 08 Oct 1846
Baptism/Christening Place: , INVERESK WITH MUSSELBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 01 Oct 1846

Father's Name: David Moffat
Mother's Name: Ellen Wilson

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C19502-8
System Origin: Scotland-VR
Source Film Number: 1067758
Reference Number: 2:18QD97H

Dea x

possible.

1871 Scotland Census
about Thomas Moffat Name: Thomas Moffat
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Moffat
Gender: Male
Where born: Inveresk, Edinshire
Registration Number: 683
Registration district: Dalkeith
Civil parish: Dalkeith
Town: Dalkeith
County: Midlothian
Address: Hamer Manor Close
Occupation: Labourer
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 73
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1871_155
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Moffat 24
Mary Moffat 18
Mary Moffat 9 MO

is this him.
Name: Thomas Moffat
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: David Moffat
Mother's Name: Helen Moffat
Gender: Male
Where born: Musselburgh, Edinburgh
Parish Number: 689
Civil parish: Inveresk
Town: Musselburgh
County: Midlothian
Address: High Street Mrs Mr Laris Uon
ED: 2A
Page: 19 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 76
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1851_186
Household Members: Name Age
David Moffat 45
Helen Moffat 46
Alexander Moffat 24
David Moffat 22
George Moffat 18
Janes Moffat 16
John Moffat 10
William Moffat 7
Thomas Moffat 5

1851 scottish census

Hi,
Thanks for the replies
All the information i have
thomas moffat born 1847 musselborough?
married Mary Muir 1868 Dalkeith

Marriage lines says mums name is Helen nee Moffat?? not sure thats what it looks like
Dads name is Thomas moffat

Death certificate 1990 says mums name is Helen moffat nee Millborn??
not sure thats what it looks like.
Dads name is David moffat
Signed by brother in law John Lockhart

Hense the brickwall i cant get any further any information would be greatle appreciated

Thanks alot
Jane

Hello Jane, you can also try putting the names you are researching into the Search Trees box above to see if anyone on this site has them in their tree. If you find a connection, you can contact the tree owner. Regards. Cx

For reference is this who you mean?

Name: Thomas Moffat
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: James C Moffat
Mother's Name: Richard Moffat
Gender: Male
Where born: Midlothian
Parish Number: 685/1
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Stephen
County: Midlothian
Address: 41 India Place
Occupation: Readers Son
ED: 18
Page: 1 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 1
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1851_180
Household Members:
Name Age
James C Moffat 33
Richard Moffat 32
Thomas Moffat 4
Mary Moffat 2
Catherine Moffat 2 MO
Thomas Moffat 64
Mary Robertson 58

Catherine

jane,
why not give some more details, and let the good people on here help you.

looking for anybody outthere that are rsearching the moffats from dalkith around this time have hit a brick wall

thanks jane