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Please can anyone help me find the death of Robert Sunman, he was a carpenter, wheelwright, fishmonger and Licensee in Sheringham (1808 - 1846). I sent for a certificate for 1849- the Robert was the right age but was a shoemaker. I can't find the death for another Robert on freebmd or the Norfolk archives betwee 1846 and 1860's He was born about 1773 and married Ann Cooper in 1798 in Gresham Norfolk. Thanks

1841

SUNMAN, Robert M 65 1776 Norfolk FREE (Publican)
SUNMAN, Ann F 60 1781 Norfolk FREE
SUNMAN, Charles M 25 1816 Norfolk FREE
SUNMAN, Elijah M 20 1821 Norfolk FREE

RG number:
HO107 Piece:
760 Book/Folio:
26 Page:
15

Registration District:
Erpingham Sub District:
Cromer Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Sheringham Municipal Borough:
Address:
Sherringham Woodam's Inn, Sheringham County:
Norfolk

(saw this one, not sure of 1808)...

Chris :)

Might he have died in London?


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Robert Sunman
Name: Robert Sunman
Year of Registration: 1843
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westminster St Margaret
County: Middlesex
Volume: 1
Page: 370 (click to see others on page)

Sorry Ginny, but he was still a licensee in 1846 in Sheingham, thanks for the look up though

yes Chris , that looks like the family, because his son Elijah took over the licence. thanks for the info

Name: Robert Sunman
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 19 Jan 1849
Burial Place: Sheringham, Norfolk, England
Death Date:
Death Place:
Age:
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Occupation:
Race:
Marital Status:
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03862-4
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 2262645
Reference Number: 75
Collection: England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991

Sorry safc, thats the certificate I've got, that says Robert is a shoemaker. thanks anyway

Now theres something not quite right about this chap.

I cant see him around anywhere else ie censuses and when Ive gone to look at the actual register I cant spot him on there either?

The 1851 was taken on 31st March so if this man died on the 30th March he wouldnt have been around for the census but would have made this quarters death


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Robert Seao
Name: Robert Seao
Year of Registration: 1851
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Erpingham
County: Norfolk
Volume: 13
Page: 86

Have you got Ann Sunmans death certificate from 1844...I was wondering who the informant was?




There is a Robert Seago around Erpingham?

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This looks like his death? The only Robert Seago death from 1841 -1881


Deaths Mar 1851 (>99%)
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Seago Robert Erpingham 13 77

Archdeaconry of Norfolk Probate Records
Administrations
Administration Bonds
Administration bonds
CatalogueRef ANF administration bond, 1849, no. 13
Title Sunman, Robert, of Sheringham
Date 1849
Description Administration.
Level Item
Repository Norfolk Record Office
RefNo See where this entry fits within the collection as a whole
Category probate
AccessStatus Open
AccessConditions Not to be produced to the searchroom.
FindingAids Typescript index: ANW and ANF wills and admons 1818-1857
Copies Use microfilm MF 300.
CatalogueStatus Catalogued
Places associated with this record:

Details Sheringham/Norfolk

This is held at Norfolk Record Office. (would this be the shoemaker?)


Google brings up articles on him and the lifeboat, I checked newspapers but nothing coming up, (would probably be in Norfolk RO) can't see anything on National Archives coming up either.

Does seem strange...

Chris :)

And this seems to be the last we see of Robert in the directories


U.K., City and County Directories, 1600s-1900s

Name: Robert Sunman WHEELWRIGHT
Residence: 1850 - Norfolk, Suffolk, England

Also in the same directory

Elijah Sunman The Windman Arms

Sorry not to get sttraight back to you, but I was called away from my computer .You've certainly hit the nail on the head when you said 'there's something not right' I have Ann's certificate and the informant was Susan Bishop, the same informant as (on what I thought was the wrong )Robert death certificate in 1849. It was the shoemaker occupation that threw me. How can a man in his 60's stop being a carpenter and become a shoemaker? Especially now you have found him as a wheelwright in 1850. That would tie in with the death for Robert Seago (how did Sunman translate as Seago??!! perhaps Innkeeper became shoemaker!!!)Wonderful sleuthing, thanks

Hi Chris, I like your comment - 'Does seem strange' - exactly my feelings, Have you seen Ginny's reply where he might be called Seago? But it's strange both Ann in 1844 and Robert in 1849 have Susan Bishop as informant. It doen't say if she's a relation, so that a new line of enquiry. many thanks for you time and help

Checks back...

Well, I think Ginny's theory sounds good :-)) and might be worth getting that death cert., I think anything is worth a try here!.

There are two Susan Bishops in Sheringham, one a daughter living with her pauper mother, and one married to a fisherman. The other Robert and his family are there too, he is down as a Carpenter (so must have turned shoemaker by 1849)

If you was able to visit, Norfolk Record Office is the place...or have a google and see what Sheringham have for local family history, they might have a lifeboat musem. Wonder if they are buried in Sheringham, have you got burials of any others in the family?...

It is a lovely part of the Norfolk coast, and sounds like Robert did a lot for the community :-)

Keep us informed...

Chris :)

(a fan of N. Norfolk coast!)

(I can't get this other Robert sorted!, lol)...

Thought he died 1849, but, no, 1867 Cambs. Wisbech. Here he is below, I take it he is Robert and Ann's son?... (can see him 1851 Sheringham & 1861 Wisbech)



1841

SUNMAN, Robert M 42 1799 Norfolk VIEW (Carpenter)
SUNMAN, Elizabeth F 42 1799 Norfolk VIEW
SUNMAN, Mary F 21 1820 Norfolk VIEW
SUNMAN, Robert M 19 1822 Norfolk VIEW
SUNMAN, William M 17 1824 Norfolk VIEW
SUNMAN, Emma F 15 1826 Norfolk VIEW
SUNMAN, Corba M 8 1833 Norfolk VIEW
SUNMAN, Alfred M 5 1836 Norfolk VIEW

RG number:
HO107 Piece:
760 Book/Folio:
6 Page:
5

Registration District:
Erpingham Sub District:
Cromer Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Sheringham Municipal Borough:
Address:
Sherringham, Sheringham County:
Norfolk


Deaths Jun 1867 (>99%)
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Sunman Robert 68 Wisbeach 3b 371



So, who or where was the Robert Sunman who died and left a Will 1849, on the 1841 census?...

Have had a nosey on Ancestry Trees, the Robert above features quite well, but only a couple of Trees have Robert senior and Ann, they don't have a death date either...

Chris :)

(got that can't get me head round it, can't let it go feeling!, lol) :-))

Thanks both of you for having some faith in me but.......that 1849 death for Robert with Susan Bishop as the informant, surely has to be the husband of Ann Sunman.....


.......he just liked shifting from job to job, or more likely he told porkies!

Lol Ginny, I'm really thinking so too! :-))

I would definitely be contacting the Norfolk R. O. and getting that Will...
(seems you can get it online if you contact them on website) at least you would know then, one way or the other where he fitted in, and you might find out some other 'goodies' too!.

Keep us posted :-)

Chris :)

So sorry not to get back to you, Ginny and Chris, especially when you are trying so hard to help me. I've never sent for a will yet, but I think now is the time to try. I really appreciate your help. (P S I've tried contacting Sheringham Museum, but no reply)

archives.norfolk.gov.uk/

Have a look on above link Kevin, there is a contact e mail addy at bottom of homepage too.

Fingers crossed you can get it :-)

Chris :)

Many thanks Chris, I'm away for a family weekend now, so I'll try the link on Monday, thanks again