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I can't find them on the 1911 Canadian census. They should be there?

Hi MadBull
Thanks for looking, I cannot say for sure if they were ment to be there or not ,
I Will have to check the 1911 Scottish census when it comes out in April,
George's wife was Jeanie Gillespie Steven m.s Morrison b 1882, Glasgow and daughter also Jeanie Gillespie Steven born 1906, Hamilton South Lanarkshire.
Have looked on Ancestry in the UK incomming passengers and can't find them inbetween 1910 & 1913, thanks for trying antway.

Canadian BMDs (vital records) are held provincially.

I thought you would be able to find info at this site:

http://www.isc.ca/VitalStatistics/Genealogy/vsgs_srch.aspx

-- since it says:

Deaths (more than 70 years ago.) Currently includes deaths that occurred prior to 1917. Other years wil be added as they become available.

-- but there's no George Steven death.

I looked up their image on the pasenger lists at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/001045-100.01-e.php
[they're on image 12 of 32]

It says they're off to Sutherland SK to join their brother who's been in Canada for 9 y.
Whose brother? What's his name?

Sutherland is now a suburb of Saskatoon, 2km NE of the uni.
The brother might be on the 1906 prairie census - search 1901-1911 at:
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/index.html

NB In 1911, the CPR had railyards in Sutherland.

Hi JaneyCanuck & mgnv
Thanks for your help, You have got me thinking about this brother will need to go back to through the census and marriages etc and see what I can find.

Not sure if Georges family died in Canada or back in Scotland.
Thanks
Fiona

Hello Fiona

I live in Saskatoon......would be willing to do some checking for you on George. Are you sure he died in Sutherland? How did you find the date for his death. Do you know if he....or his brother came over to Canada to homestead? Will wait till I hear from you and go from there.

All the Best
Charles Bain

Hello Charles
Thanks for the offer of help. I will let you know what I have on George Steven and his family.

George Steven born 17th January 1882 in Hamilton, South Lanarkshire Scotland.
Occupation- Colliery Engineman.
Parents- George Steven & Margaret (Agnes) Findlay.
George Married Jane (Jeanie) Gillespie Morrison born 1882 In Glasgow.
on the 14th July 1905 in Hamilton.
Their daughter Jeanie Gillespie Morrison was born in 1906 Hamilton.

George and family sailed from Glasgow in 1910 to Quebec , Canada on the Hesperian and arrived on the 18th June 1910.
CANADIAN PASSAGE LIST 1865-1935 on Ancestry says they were going out to join a brother.it says the brother had been there for 9 years
I have found most of Georges family deaths, all died in Glasgow apart from 2, John who was still in Glasgow in 1920 & Thomas who at the moment I have no info.
So I am wondering if it was a brother THomas or one of Georges wife brothers

George's date of death was found on the Memorial stone on his parents grave which I visited a few years ago.

INSCRIPTION READ.
And their son
George Steven who died at Sutherland, Sask, Canada on the 1st March 1913 aged 31 years.

I am looking up info on Georges brother Thomas and Jeanies brothers too.
any help with be great thank you.

The way I read that passenger list is that they are asked if they've ever been in Canada before and for how long. There's a check mark beside Jeanie's name and then 9 years.

I think it's possible that Jeanie had been in Canada before.

Oh MadBull
Then I have got it wrong I thought it was talking about her brother. but it was Jeanie.

I could be wrong, Fiona, it's just the way I understand it. I've been looking for Jean in Canada previously but no luck so far.

Madbull
I have been looking to , nothing as yet. passenger lists inot very clear, even with my glasses on.
Struggling with Births & Marriages for her siblings too as they have very common names with everyone else born in the same years in the same area and so far Jeanies(georges wife) is the only one I have found because she has her mothers maiden name as her middle name.
Will carry on looking.

Hello Fiona

I dont know why but your fellow over here appears to have added an s to his last name....Stevens.... I was able to find info on him at www.isc.ca by doing a search under vital statistics. If you do the same you can order his death certificate online at a cost of 50 Canadian dollars. His registration number is 572....the death date being Mar 1 1913. Dont know what type of info may be on the certificate, but it may have next of kin information. Might be worth your while to get hold of it.

I also went to the library to see if I could find an obit in the paper for George, no luck so far. I was kind of rushed for time so will have another go at that for you. I did find a George Stevens in a Hendersons Directory for 1912, living in Sutherland. It appears he was employed by the C.P.R. (Canadian Pacific Railway) as a boilerwasher.

I also did another search for George Stevens and found him to be buried in Woodlawn Cemetery here in Saskatoon Saskatchewan. The death date is the same, Mar 1 1913, and he was buried Mar 4 1913. You can search him there as well. I got his plot information from the search and went down this aft to have a look to see if I could get you a photo of a stone. Everything is pretty well under snow so I attended the cemetery office. They did some searching and found that there is no marker on the grave, so I guess a picture is a lost cause. I have the cemetary people looking for what ever else information that they may have.....It will take a few days, I am told, to see if they have any further info....Maybe by Monday.

He is the only person interred in that plot, no other family there along with him is about all I can tell you at this point. Makes you wonder then what became of his wife and child???

Do you have any further info on Thomas.....dob, wife, children??? I will check further to see if Thomas or George possibly had homestead's in the Sutherland area. Just for curiosity....what is your relationship to these people?

All the Best.....Chuck

Oh no, I neglected to search deaths with the "s"??

I searched all the censuses that way, and with all the possible mistranscriptions automatedgenealogy offered! Stevin, etc., and also Stephen, etc. etc. etc.

Duh me. ;)

Well done for all that Charles! (Me being in Ontario, I was kinda useless for all the rest.)

Janey
Cant say I have found him on a census yet under any spelling. Was just lucky to find his death in the vital statistics area of the isc site under Stevens...Think we'd all still be lookin if Fiona hadnt had a death date. That was a piece of luck......You were on the right track.

Chuck

Charles I am so thrilled for your help, Thank you so much for taking the time to do this for me and even to go the grave site

George Steven(s) is a second cousin 3x removed, I have done a lot of research BDM etc on the Steven's branch of the family , The Steven's origanally came from a small district of Hamilton ,South Lanarkshire. Scotland, quite a few of Georges relatives are buried in the local cemetery which is great . so I have had a few visits there. so sad to think that George is buried miles away in Canada by himself.

I actually now live in Hamilton 20 mins walk from the street where George Steven was born . My mum was born about 1/2 hour drive from where I live and I still have an aunt & cousins living in Glasgow which is only a 1/2 hour train ride.

So that makes me English on my dads side & scottish on my mums side, I was born and lived in England till 1989 and then my husband got a new job up here so we had to moved .

After doing some more research on Scotlands people. I don't think George had a brother called Thomas , but had a nephew called Thomas (illigitimate)but was on the 1901 census as a son when he was really was a grandson, as I can only find one birth for a Thomas Steven in 1888 in Hamilton, I have his Birth, & marriage and his childrens Births his last child was born in c 1919, so I don't think he would have gone to Canada.

I am now looking into Georges wife side of the family to find out if she died in Scotland and the BDM of her 4 Brothers & 1 sister. also will have a look at Ancestry on the Canadian Passenger list.
It maybe that it was one of her brothers that came to Canada.

once again Charles thanks for your help & kindness.

Thanks Janey also for trying to help.

Fiona

Hi Fiona

Glad I could be of help.......I will report back if I learn anything further from the Woodlawn staff or if I find an obit in the paper for George.

Really is a small world. I have family from Hamilton, Paisley and Glasgow that stem from Bain women. My roots are all from Scotland, mostly from the Nairn/Inverness area reaching back into Gairloch mid to late 1700's.

Dont hesitate to ask if I can help you with anything else. Retired policeman here and I love a good mystery and the investigation process.

All the best
Chuck