Find Ancestors

First may I say that I don't need help going backwards on this one - I have all the details.

In 1911 I have Hubert Percival SMITH and wife Celestine Maud nee Williams living in Neath (I haven't seen the actual census record).

I also haveWilliam ROTHERHAM and wife Ellen Edith nee Williams livinng in Stroud Green, North London with son William Howell Rotherham b 1908.

I am desperate for ANY clues as to what happened to any of them.....finding the two women yesterday broke down a 20 year brick wall as the were both born in New Zealand and I had no idea that they were in London - there are certainly no family connections.

Any hints welcome

Peter (in New Zealand)

Just for info.

ROTHERHAM, William Head Married M 29 1882 Tea Blender Eckington Derbyshire VIEW
ROTHERHAM, Ellen Edith Wife F 30 1881 Auckland New Zealand VIEW
ROTHERHAM, William Howell Son M 2 1909 Middx Crouch London N VIEW
ANDERSON, Mary Jane Servant Single F 18 1893 General Servant Domestic Eckington Derbyshire VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7210 Reference:
RG14PN7210 RG78PN353 RD132 SD1 ED18 SN77

Registration District:
Edmonton Sub District:
Hornsey Enumeration District:
18 Parish:
Hornsey

Address:
15 Cecile Park Stroud Green County:
Middlesex


SLOCOMBE, William Arthur Head Married M 44 1867 Officer Of Custom Devon Ilfracombe VIEW
SLOCOMBE, Frances May Wife Married
13 years F 43 1868 Somerset Wincanton VIEW
SMITH, Hubert Percival Boarder M 30 1881 Grocers Manager London London VIEW
SMITH, Celestine Maud Boarder Married F 32 1879 Newzealand Auckland Res VIEW
SIMPSON, William Musgrave Boarder Single M 21 1890 Stationers Assistant Yorkshire Arkendale VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
32601 Reference:
RG14PN32601 RG78PN1862 RD592 SD1 ED8 SN395

Registration District:
Neath Sub District:
Margam Enumeration District:
8 Parish:
Margam

Address:
15 King Street Port Talbot County:
Glamorganshire

New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981
Name: Celestine Maude Smith
Electoral Year: 1928
District: Waitemata
Region or Province: Auckland

living at 20 Anne Street, Devonport

at same address 'Herbert' Percival Smith

New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981
Name: Celestine Maude Smith
Electoral Year: 1928
District: Hamilton
Region or Province: Waikato

Address - 6 Somerset Street, Frankton
living at same address - Hubert Percival Smith, grocer

New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981
Name: Celestine Maude Smith
Electoral Year: 1935
District: Eden
Region or Province: Auckland

Address - 5 Eglinton Avenue, S1 with husband Hubert Percival Smith, grocer and Hubert Edwin William Smith, messenger

New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981
Name: Celestine Maude Smith
Electoral Year: 1938
District: Eden
Region or Province: Auckland

5 Eglinton Avenue, S1 with husband, Hubert Percival Smith
There is also a Hubert Edwin William Smith at the same address, a Messenger

New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981
Name: Celestine Maude Smith
Electoral Year: 1957
District: North Shore
Region or Province: Auckland

at 16 Aubyn Street, N1 with Hubert Percival Smith, Retired

Thank you - sorry for the delay replying - am having massive problems viewing threads - can't find my own

Peter

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Mrs E E Rotherham
Birth Date: abt 1881
Age: 39
Port of Departure: South Africa
Arrival Date: 8 Nov 1920
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Natal
[Port Elizabeth]
[Cape Town]
Ship Name: Edinburgh Castle
Search Ship Database: View the 'Edinburgh Castle' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 129088

travelling with W Rotherham (husband) and W H Rotherham (aged 12)

to find your threads any time click on "My thread participation" on the left of your monitor


http://www.findmypast.co.uk/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action?

SMITH Celestine Maude 1877 1919 Plymouth New Zealand Auckland

"travelling with" results (not all are necessarily related, they are just the Smiths with the same destination on the same voyage -- free search results only)

SMITH C M Unknown 1919 Plymouth New Zealand Auckland
SMITH Child Unknown 1919 Plymouth New Zealand Auckland
SMITH F Unknown 1919 Plymouth New Zealand Auckland
SMITH Florence Nellie 1889 1919 Plymouth New Zealand Auckland
SMITH Frederic Charles Holdsworth 1888 1919 Plymouth New Zealand Auckland
SMITH H P Unknown 1919 Plymouth New Zealand Auckland
SMITH Herbert 1914 1919 Plymouth New Zealand Auckland
SMITH Hubert Edwin Williams 1914 1919 Plymouth New Zealand Auckland
SMITH Hubert Percival 1882 1919 Plymouth New Zealand Auckland


If someone with a subscription to FMP checks the record it will say who was travelling with Celestine Maude and Hubert Percival. I assume at least Hubert Edwin Williams Smith was theirs. ;)

think this is them - but definitely says 'Miss' and not 'Master' for the child


Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Name: Mr W ROTHERHAM
Date of departure: 16 July 1915
Port of departure: London
Destination port: Cape
Destination country: South Africa

Date of Birth: 1881 (calculated from age)
Age: 34
Marital Status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Tea Buyer
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 7 of 10

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Mrs ROTHERHAM

Miss ROTHERHAM


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ship: SAXON
Official Number: 112713
Master's name: J L Stanistreet
Steamship Line: The Union-Castle Mail Steamship Co.Ltd.
Where bound: South Africa
Square feet:
Registered tonnage: 6336
Passengers on voyage: 240

Probably a common surname combination but here is the son

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Births Sep 1914
Smith Hubert E W Williams Edmonton 3a 1045

Gobsmacked doesn't cover what I am feeling right now. I have been looking for Ellen and Celestine for years. There father died when C was two and Ellen unborn. Their mother remarried and apart from a newspaper report when Ellen was shot in the leg by a lunatic (!) - nothing. Then yesterday I found a newspaper report of Ellen's marriage in Enkland, naming the correct father - and all this has followed.

I don't believe the amount of help I'm getting - it is so much appreciated!!!!!!

Have found Celestine's death in 1960 and her husband 1966 both in NZ

Thank you again.

A tip on where the info is coming from would help!!

Peter

Found the New Zealand electoral roll and incoming passenger list on Ancestry.

The other info came from FindMyPast.

Name: William Howell Rotherham
Birth: Apr 1908 - Islington, Greater London, London, Middlesex

Possible:

Name: Mrs E E Rotherham
Birth: abt 1881
Departure: South Africa
Arrival: 8 Nov 1920 - Southampton, England
Other: Natal

Name: Mr W Rotherham
Birth: abt 1881
Departure: South Africa
Arrival: 8 Nov 1920 - Southampton, England
Other: Natal

Name: Mstr D H Rotherham
Birth: abt 1908
Departure: South Africa
Arrival: 8 Nov 1920 - Southampton, England
Other: Natal


Name: Edith E Rotherham
Death: Hendon, Middlesex, England
Death: Jul-Aug-Sep 1960
Age 83


Name: William Rotherham
Death Registration Month/Year: 1961
Age at death (estimated): 80
Registration district: Wood Green
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5f
Page: 406

Celestine info pm'd couldn't post for some reason or other.

Catherine

Random and no H in name:

ROTHERHAM William ? 1909 M
1948 Hull Argentina Buenos Aires VIEW VIEW


Name: William Rotherham
Birth: abt 1908
Departure: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Arrival: 28 Jul 1952 - London, England
Other: Buenos Aires