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Thank you all for your help and information. I can confirm that the Caroline some of you have found is the one on my certificate. But I still don't know if it is the correct Ada. Thanks again

Coleman Street in 1881 was a rabbit warren of Courts each containing several houses some of them "Back" houses. Back houses were very common in Birmingham right up until the 1950's. Basically a back house is a single dwelling which is divided into two with one set of occupants living in the front portion whilst another occupies the rear.

The 1881 census can be searched by address but there does not appear to be any Toy or Toye families amongst the residents of the street.

Looks like Back 6 Coleman Street Aston

Ada's mother (The one whose birth certificate you have)??

Name: Caroline Toy
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Aston (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 233

1861:
Name: Caroline Toy
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Benjamin Toy
Mother's name: Caroline Toy
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 53
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Toy 51
Caroline Toy 43
John Toy 20
Edwin Toy 18
Benjamin Toy 13
William Toy 12
Samuel Toy 9
Caroline Toy 7
George Toy 5
Albert Toy 1

1871:
Name: Caroline Toye
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Caroline Toye
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Duddeston Cum Nechells
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Household schedule number: 163
Household Members:
Name Age
Caroline Toye 48
John Toye 30
William Toye 22
Samuel Toye 10
Caroline Toye 17
George Toye 15
Albert Toye 12

What address is shown on the birth certificate?

I am begining to wonder if it is the 1879 birth. It is Toy but she might not have known if it was Toye or Toy

And I also tried Joy/e

I looked at that one. I have also tried Foy/e Soy/e and Loy/e

You could be right Jonesey, William may be a red herring

I think she would be too old

Witnesses were Elizabeth Cooper and Henry G. Knight

Maybe??

1871 England Census
about Caroline Toye
Name: Caroline Toye
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Caroline Toye
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Duddeston Cum Nechells
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Household schedule number: 163
Household Members: Name Age
Caroline Toye 48
John Toye 30
William Toye 22
Samuel Toye 10
Caroline Toye 17
George Toye 15
Albert Toye 12

Oh silly me!!! It says that!

I can't find a Caroline either.

Toolmaker - in reply to Mel F G

Sheila,

who were the witnesses on her marriage certificate?

Dee x

Does it say his occ. the William even though deceased?

The fact that a father is named on a marriage certificate is no guarantee that the facts stated are accurate. Many an illegitimate child "Invented" a father on their marriage to avoid embarrassment.

Although she did use Toye on her marriage cert.

That's possible.

Wonder if her mother remarried and Ada is listed in census under stepfather's name?

I don't think it's the 1879 birth as I have the cert. Her mother is given as Caroline but there is no father.