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Sorry if I have offended anyone, not an expert on this site.

Actually mgnv, would rather pass on that as I am Amandas boyfriend, using her site. Thanks anyway.

thought it seemed familiar - grrr !!

Well!!! I am one MAD MadBull!!!

I'm afraid I would be neither bearing nor baring

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/thread/1225246

(Jonathan and Amanda have the same member number)

and I think Choccy might be feeling the same way after reading that


'vividly remember' is no help to anyone

click on 'My thread participation', find your thread, add to it and don't duplicate ....... and (I'm sorry but there is no other way to say it) waste other people's time doing things you have had done for you before

Amanda - I was quite prepared to bear with you, but your invite to "please bare with me" is so much better.

It certainly looks as if this is the same Joseph in 1891, the nephew of Joseph & Elizabeth. He's a labourer at the lime works. Note that there's a niece with them by the name of Smith which seems to be Elizabeth's niece so she'd be the Elizabeth Smith who married Joseph Gardner. I had thought they must be Joseph Jr.'s parents but evidently not.
1891 census
6 Post Office Lane, Stockton, Warwickshire
Joseph Gardner, head, 57, born Alder Marston
Elizabeth, wife, 49, laundress, born Stockton
Joseph, nephew, 26, labourer at lime works, born Napton
Mary A. Smith, niece, 15, born North End

Here's Joseph & Bessie in 1901. Joseph states he's born 1866, Stockton.
1901 census
Elm Row, Stockton, Warwickshire
Joseph Gardner, head, 35, cement labourer, born Stockton
Bessie, wife, 27, born Southam
Olive, dau, 4, born Stockton

Sorry not reading properly,I dont have the cert. Minty, was just a wild card, If its the same Joseph and all the facts fit like his job,place of birth,residence then perhaps your right and it was Elizabeth. Are you able to obtain anything on her parents?

I know it's Bessie Large but does the marriage certificate say that Joseph's father was Charles? If not where did you get the name Charles and his marriage date? Because on that date Joseph Gardner married Elizabeth Smith in Stockton.

No I dont, but my late great grandmother told me it was Bessie Large.

Do you have the marriage certificate for Joseph & Bessie, naming his father as Charles?

Possible?


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JOSEPH STEPHEN GARDNER Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 03 SEP 1863 Southam, Warwick, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JOSEPH GARDNER Family

The bride could possibly be"Minty" b.1864 from Stockton. I did all this searching about a year ago or so and vividly remember something about a Joseph as a nephew being mentionned but as living with another Joseph, which made it even harder to decipher. So if Joseph was born 1864, was that Napton, if so that makes sense. Charles Gardner was the father of Joseph who was born 1864. And Joseph was a cement burner at the Quarries at Nelson Lime Works in Stockton.
Many thanks to all of you that have submitted information, been al long time since I have looked at this, so please bare with me.

Familysearch: (Same date you give for Charles.)


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ELIZABETH SMITH Pedigree
Female Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: JOSEPH GARDNER Family
Marriage: 14 OCT 1861 Stockton, Warwick, England

First question was "Where did you get the marriage date from?"
I'm curious how you have an exact date of marriage but no bride's name?

birth of Joseph in 1864, not 1866 ?


Births Dec 1864 (>99%)
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GARDNER Joseph Southam 6d 553



Who were his parents ?

1851 - still no Charles - perhaps I've got the wrong family ?


1851

GARDNER, William Head Married M 58 1793 Farmer
Pillerton
Warwickshire VIEW
GARDNER, Ann Wife Married F 46 1805
Long Marston
Gloucestershire VIEW
GARDNER, William Son Unmarried M 15 1836
Alderminster
Worcestershire VIEW
GARDNER, Frederick Son M 14 1837 Ag Lab
Alderminster
Worcestershire VIEW
>>>>>GARDNER, Joseph Son M 11 1840
Alderminster
Worcestershire VIEW
GARDNER, Thomas Son M 10 1841
Alderminster
Worcestershire VIEW
GARDNER, Francis Son M 8 1843
Preston
Gloucestershire VIEW
GARDNER, George Son M 6 1845
Preston
Gloucestershire VIEW
GARDNER, John Henry Son M 4 1847
Eatington
Warwickshire VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
2077 Folio:
258 Page:
13

Registration District:
Southam Sub District:
Southam Enumeration District:
14A Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Napton on the Hill Municipal Borough:
Address:
Tomlow Farm, Napton On The Hill County:
Warwickshire

same Joseph as in 1881 census - birth place Alderminster - no sign of a brother Charles


1861

GARDNER, William Head Married M 66 1795 Farm Labourer
Pillerton Priors
Warwickshire VIEW
GARDNER, Ann Wife Married F 55 1806
Charcott
Warwickshire VIEW
>>>>>GARDNER, Joseph Son Unmarried M 21 1840 Farm Labourer
...
Worcestershire VIEW
GARDNER, John Henry Son M 14 1847 Farm Labourer
...
Warwickshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
2243 Folio:
85 Page:
19

Registration District:
Southam Sub District:
1 Southam Enumeration District:
22 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Stockton Municipal Borough:
Address:
Stockton House, North West, Stockton County:
Warwickshire

Who was Charles then?