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I wonder if anyone can help solve this mystery for me please! I have Frances Garrett marrying John Paulucci on 15th August 1842, but on their daughter Hannah's birth certificate 1851 the mother's name is shown as formerly Smith. I have found a marriage on 13th December 1831 of Frances Garrett to James Smith, they are not on the 1841 census. I have looked in various records but cannot find either the birth nor first marriage of Frances. I do have her down as born in Burton Overy, Leicestershire but this came from another source and has not been confirmed. I hope someone can help please!

Have you got the family on any census at all? If she married as a Garrett this "should" be her first husband's name, if indeed she was married before, and Smith her maiden name..
Jan

This must be where that birthplace is from:

1881 England Census

Name: Frances Paulucci
Age: 69
Estimated birth year: abt 1812
Relation: Mother
Gender: Female
Where born: Burton Overe, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Barnsley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 94 Cope St
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)

Registration district: Barnsley
Sub-registration district: Barnsley

Thos. Paulucci 32
Sarah Ann Paulucci 29
Kate Adeline Paulucci 6
Rose Paulucci 3
Arthur Paulucci
Frances Paulucci 69

I have just found Frances married to John Paulucci on the 1841 census, just found it seconds ago after I submitted the above message.

What name was given for Frances's father on the marriage cert?

1841 does not actually record relationships........

I think this is the marriage you mean, names the other way round:

FRANCES SMITH

Spouse: JAMES GARRETT Family
Marriage:
31 DEC 1831 Saint Margaret, Leicester, Leicester, England

1861

Name: Hannah Paulincia
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Paulincia
Mother's name: Frances Paulincia
Gender: Female
Where born: Bourn, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Wyberton
Ecclesiastical parish: North and South Holland
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England


Registration district: Boston
Sub-registration district: Kirton in Holland
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
John Paulincia 55 b. NEWARK
Frances Paulincia 48
Mary Ann Paulincia 19
John Paulincia 15
Thos Paulincia 12
Hannah Paulincia 10
Matthew Breeson 19

Good find Flick - confirms birthplace Burton Overy,,
Jan

Name: Frances Smith
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 27 Jul 1812
Baptism/Christening Place: BURTON OVERY,LEICESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Smith
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Hannah
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C06023-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 590859
Reference Number:
Collection: null

1841 has a William aged 19 with John & Frances.............

John's marriage to William's mother?????

JOHN PAULUCCI

Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH WOOTEN
Marriage: 21 APR 1823 Stapleford, Nottingham, England

Good spot on the 1831 marriage, Jan

From the information you have all given me above it seems the marriage certificate I have for Frances Garratt and John Paulucci has misled me. It shows Frances Garratt as a spinster and the information for her father is blank. Am I to conclude that she was widowed? Or did they get divorced in those days? I have found a death of a James Garratt in July 1842, surely if this is Frances's husband she would not have remarried the following month - would she??? I really appreciate your help everyone, any further comments much appreciated.

Sorry, ignore the death of James Garratt, that is incorrect. My head is spinning, sorry folks!

Flick, yes John Paulucci was married twice, he is shown as a widower on his marriage certificate to Frances Garratt, I am still searching for Frances's first husband James Garratt and have found nothing for his death. Is it possible they were divorced? If so how would I find out?

Divorce was unheard-of............except for the seriously wealthy.........and even for them, it was difficult

As she called herself a spinster........and didn't give her father's name, it COULD mean that she was marrying bigamously..

The baptism I posted matches her details - IF her birth name was Smith

The 1842 marriage seems to fit with regard to John.................it it's the right man, the 1841 census records a lie, as her surname would not have been Paulucci when it was taken

Who witnessed the marriage? Any clues there?

oh my goodness! I had been told she was disowned by her family because she was an unmarried mother, but now it is even more of a mystery!!! She is shown as living at the same address as John Paulucci when they were married, and as her father's name was blank, perhaps you are correct that she married bigamously!!!! I didn't think they got divorced in those days, so thank you very much Flick for all your help!

Sorry Flick, I didn't read the part about the witnesses at the marriage to John Paulucci. He signed the register but it was the Mark of Frances Garratt and the witnesses also made Marks, they were William Guttridge and Elizabeth Guttridge. I never thought of looking at them for information, like I said in an earlier message, I am quite new to all this.