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Hi

I am looking for Jane Farmer born in 1855 Birmingham she is not with her mom Mary Ann Burke in the 1861 census also looking for the family in the 1871 census could someone be kind enough to have a look for me. Below is the 1851 census showing Janes mom Mary Burke.

Name: Mary Ann Burke
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Erdington
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 149
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Poole 32
Rebecca Poole 30
John Poole 10
Thomas Poole 8
Henry Poole 5
Selina Poole 2
Patrick Burke 40
Mary Ann Burke 27
Emila Ellen Burke 1

Class: RG9; Piece: 2183; Folio: 42; Page: 35; GSU roll: 542931.

Thank you Zena

Hello Zena, have you found Jane in any later census, or a marriage for her?

This is what makes me ask:

Deaths Sep 1859
FARMER Jane Birmingham 6d 86

is that Jane farmer Burke? or just plain Jane farmer? as can`t find anyone on of that name in 1861..

should mary anns name change to Farmer in 1871 as well?

Sorry a bit confused by your request...

Nicky

Hi Marie yes i have her from the 1881 census she married a James Feeney this is her in the 1881 census.

Name: Jane Fennery ?
[Jane Feeney]
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James Fennery ?
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham

Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: Berlin Place Frankford St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 66
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Fennery ? 27
Jane Fennery ? 26
James Fennery ? 3
Thomas Fennery ?

Class: RG11; Piece: 3002; Folio: 100; Page: 50; GSU

Thank you for looking for me Zena

Is this them in 1871?

BURK, Thomas Head M 52 1819 Ireland VIEW Oil Painter
BURK, Mary A Wife F 40 1831 Warwickshire VIEW Washer woman
BURK, Ellen Daughter F 11 1860 Warwickshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
3126 Folio:
78 Page:
6

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
St George Enumeration District:
48 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Birmingham Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
Farm Street, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire



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Nicky

Her mother's marriage??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1859 (>99%)
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Burke Patrick Birmingham 6d 274
Farmer Mary Ann Birmingham 6d 274
Foxall Edward Birmingham 6d 274
Stone Charlotte Birmingham 6d 274

Sorrry Nicky

Jane Farmer Born1855 is the illerate daughter of Mary Ann Farmer.

Mary married Patrick Burke in 1859 Birmingham.

I cant find Jane Farmer in the 1861 or find her or Mary in the 1871 census.

Sorry for confusion Zena

Is this her birth please?

Births Sep 1855 (>99%)
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Farmer Jane Tone Birmingham 6d 177

Hi Nicky thank you for that 1871 census could well be it looks like Patrick changed his name to Thomas i will take another look at that.

Thank you Zena

do you have an occupation or birthplace for Patrick?

Are they on census after 1871?

Nicky

Hi rootgatherer that is the right marriage for Mary Farmer.

That could be Janes birth i havent got that i have Janes marriage in 1877 and there is a line through where her fathers name is.

Thank you Zena

Zena, it's possible that Jane was with relatives - perhaps Mary Ann's parents?

There are a few possibilities for Mary Ann in the 1851 - do you know who her parents were and we can maybe trace that way?

Hi rootgatherer the marriage cert between Mary and Patrick he was a oil cloth maker and was 36 makes his birth 1823 according to the 1871 he was born in Ireland.

The next census i have for Mary is the 1891 miscript Bird and a widow

Name: Mary A Bird
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary A Bird 54
Jane Bird 37
Thomas Feeney 10
Frank Feeney 8
Nellie Feeney 1

Class: RG12; Piece: 2387; Folio 16; Page 26; GSU roll: 6097497.

Thank you Zena

Hi Marie

Marys parents were William and Amelia William had died by the 1861 census and Amelia living with her son William.

1861 census for Marys mom

Name: Amelia Farmer
Age: 61
Estimated birth year: abt 1800
Relation: Mother
Gender: Female
Where born: Westbury, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 74
Household Members: Name Age
William Farmer 40
Caroline Farmer 38
Henry Farmer 8
Ellen Farmer 8 MO
Amelia Farmer 61
Ann Hands 16


Mary was living with her brother William in the 1851 census.

Thank you Zena

1891 has Jane as Feeney. on FMP....so don`t know why Ancestry has her as Bird..image defo says Feeney..

BIRD, Mary A Head Widow F 57 1834 Charwoman
Birmingham VIEW
FEENEY, Jane Daughter Married F 37 1854 Charwoman
Birmingham VIEW
FEENEY, Thomas Grandson M 10 1881 Scholar
Birmingham VIEW
FEENEY, Frank Grandson M 8 1883 Scholar
Birmingham VIEW
FEENEY, Nellie Granddaughter F 1 1890
Birmingham VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
2387 Folio:
16 Page:
26

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
St George Enumeration District:
9 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Georges

Civil Parish:
Birmingham Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
13 Court 2 House, St Georges Street, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire


Nicky

Thank you Nicky this family is driving me mad as the saying goes.

I have a another query on the board to do this family regarding them in the 1901 census.

I will go and change it on ancestry and also Marys name.

Thank you so much for your imput on this.

Zena, did Jane's marriage certificate give her mother's name please? Did is say Mary Ann Burke formerly Farmer?

Just wondering as Mary Ann is not with her parents in 1851 and not with her daughter Jane in 1861.

Looking at the actual image for that 1891 census Mary Ann's surname does look like Bird.

Could this be a possible marriage? The only problem perhaps, with this is that you thought that Mary Ann had married Patrick Burke so for a second marriage you would expect her to marry as Mary Ann Burke!

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1875 (>99%)
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Bird George Henry Birmingham 6d 71 <<<<<<<<<<<
Farmer Mary Ann Birmingham 6d 71 <<<<<<<<<<<
Finch William Edkins Birmingham 6d 71
Noke Eleanor Birmingham 6d 71

Hi Rootgatherer thank you for your reply.

On Janes marriage in 1877 her mother is not on there and no fathers names her witnesses are James and Ann Lowrey.

I have the marriage for Mary Ann Farmer and Patrick Burke in 1859 she is a spinster aged 25 Patrick is a widowerer aged 36 the witnesses are Richard Darby and Rose Doolan.

Thank you Zena