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two tricky look ups, please

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Harry

Harry Report 26 Jan 2011 20:49

For a friend. Alice Death was born in Sept quarter 1855. Any proof of parentage would be helpful. (possibly Alice, illegitimate.
Alice married George Squirrel the following year apparently. Anything definite tying them together would be helpful
(I know certs could be applied for, but not my family). I have seen them on the various census, 1861 being probably significant)

Happy days

 Lindsey*

Lindsey* Report 26 Jan 2011 20:54

where are they from please ?

 Lindsey*

Lindsey* Report 26 Jan 2011 20:56

1881 England Census about George Squirrel
Name: George Squirrel
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Father's name: George Squirrel
Mother's name: Alice Squirrel
Gender: Male
Where born: Stowmarket, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Stowmarket
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address: Bury St
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Shoemaker (Journeyman)
Registration district: Stow
Sub-registration district: Stowmarket
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George Squirrel 49
Alice Squirrel 48
Alice Death 25
Eliza Squirrel 23
George Squirrel 19
Morris Squirrel 17
John (Henry) Squirrel 16
Henry Squirrel 13
Rose Squirrel 11

chrisa

chrisa Report 26 Jan 2011 21:05

1861 England Census
about Alice Death
Name: Alice Death
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Fressingfield, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Coddenham
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Bosmere
Sub-registration district: Coddenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Household Members:
Name Age
George Death 56
Sarah Death 53
Susan Death 14
Alice Death 5

1871 England Census
about Alice Death
Name: Alice Death
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Fressingfield, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Coddenham
Town: Coddenham
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Bosmere
Sub-registration district: Coddenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 102
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Longe 76
Margret Delonge 72
Alice Death 15
Ellen Fenning 18
Frank Brewester 16


KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 26 Jan 2011 21:16

This is Alice's grandparents in the 1851 census:-


Name: George Death
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Son
Father's name: George Death
Mother's name: Sarah Death
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Copdock, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Coddenham
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Bosmere
Sub-registration district: Coddenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 71
Household Members:
Name Age

George Death 46
Sarah Death 44
George Death 27
John Death 19
Susan Death 4

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1797; Folio: 199; Page: 17; GSU roll: 207446.

You may have to buy her birth certificate to find Alice's parents.

Kath. x

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 26 Jan 2011 21:19

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1861 census transcription details for: 3, Pleasant Row, Stowmarket
RG number: RG09 Piece: 1147 Folio: 100 Page: 9


Reg. District: Stow Sub District: 3 Stowmarket
Parish: Stowmarket Enum. District: 18
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 3, Pleasant Row, Stowmarket
County: Suffolk


SQUIRRELL, George Head Married M 29 1832 Engine...
Combs Suffolk
SQUIRRELL, Alice Wife Married F 28 1833
Stowmarket Suffolk
DEATH, Alice Daughter In Law F 5 1856 Scholar
Stowmarket Suffolk
SQUIRRELL, Reeve Son M 3 1858 Scholar
Stowmarket Suffolk
SQUIRRELL, Fanny Daughter F 0 (6M) 1861
Stowmarket Suffolk

Maureen

chrisa

chrisa Report 26 Jan 2011 21:24

1851 England Census
about Sarah Death
Name: Sarah Death
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1807
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George Death
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Beetley, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Coddenham
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image

Registration district: Bosmere
Sub-registration district: Coddenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 71
Household Members:
Name Age
George Death 46
Sarah Death 44
George Death 27
John Death 19
Susan Death 4


1841 England Census
about Sarah Death
Name: Sarah Death
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Gender: Female
Where born: Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Coddenham
Hundred: Bosmere and Claydon
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Bosmere
Sub-registration district: Coddenham
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George Death 35
Sarah Death 30
George Death 12
John Death 10



No sign of an older Alice with the family

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 26 Jan 2011 21:24

On the 1881 census Alice Death (born 1855) is described as George Squirrell's step-daughter, so she must be Alice Death snr.'s illegitimate daughter.

Kath. x

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 26 Jan 2011 21:31

I think we have to be careful here. There are 2 Alice Death births that year. One in Hoxne reg and one in Stow. Obviously we want the one in Stow???

The one with her grandparents in 1861 doesn't appear to be the correct one.

I'm just wondering if Henry Purkis Death died?
1851 census transcription details for: Bury Street, Stowmarket

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 1794 Folio: 637 Page: 1


Reg. District: Stow Sub District: Stowmarket
Parish: Stowmarket Enum. District: 6E
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Bury Street, Stowmarket
County: Suffolk
MOTHERSOLE, Henry Head Married M 54 1797 Whitesmith
Bury St Edmunds Suffolk
MOTHERSOLE, Deborah Wife Married F 54 1797 Clear Starcher
Wattisfield Suffolk
MOTHERSOLE, Alice Daughter Unmarried F 18 1833 Clear Starcher
Stowmarket Suffolk
MOTHERSOLE, Michael Son Unmarried M 16 1835 Watchmake
Stowmarket
MOTHERSOLE, Thomas Visitor Married M 23 1828 Watchmaker
Stowmarket Suffolk
MOTHERSOLE, Elizabeth Visitor Married F 22 1829

Marriages Dec 1854 (>99%)
Death Henry Purkis Stow 4a 1045
Mothersole Alice Stow 4a 1045

Maureen

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 26 Jan 2011 21:39

Alice Mothersole is the only Alice born c1833 found in Stowmarket in 1841 & 1851. I'd say Henry Death is the one.

Ozi

Harry

Harry Report 26 Jan 2011 21:46

Many thanks for your efforts on this one.99% sure my original comments are the correct ones, but was looking for conformation, which obviously is not there except by birth certs.

Best wishes Haooy days

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 26 Jan 2011 21:54

Here's a possibility for Henry.

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: James Death
bride's name: Mary Ann Purkess
marriage date: 03 Aug 1824
marriage place: Combs,Suffolk,England
indexing project (batch) number: M13235-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 989537


1841 England Census
Name: Henry Death
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Combs
Hundred: Stow
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address: none recorded

Registration district: Stow
Sub-registration district: Stowmarket
Household Members:
Name Age
James Death 45
Mary Death 45
Mary Death 10
Henry Death 10

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 26 Jan 2011 21:58

1851 England Census
Name: Henry Death
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Son
Father's name: James Death
Mother's name: Mary Death
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Combs, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Combs
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address: Bildestone Rd

Occupation: Ag lab

Registration district: Stow
Sub-registration district: Walsham
Household Members:
Name Age
James Death Snr 55 - Ag lab; Hitcham, Suffolk
Mary Death 59 - Hitcham, Suffolk
Henry Death 20

James Death Jnr is on the same page.

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 26 Jan 2011 22:03

Wonder why we don't see a likely death for him???
(I'm getting quite dizzy with all these Deaths,deaths,births,etc.!)

Parish Records Collection - baptism

Day: 13

Month: Apr

Year: 1830

Forenames: Henry Purkes

Surname: Death

Fathers Forenames: James

Mothers Forenames: Mary

Abode: Upper Town, Combs

Place: Stowmarket

Description: Baptist

County: Suffolk

Country: England



Record source: Suffolk Baptism Index (part 2)

Maureen

~~~~~~~~to Ozi

Kay????

Kay???? Report 26 Jan 2011 22:54


--Fressingfield Sufforlk

Bapt of Alice Death.

29th July.1855------may equate to a birth appearing in September quarter registration .

Parents.


George &Mary Death.

IGI= www.familysearch.org.

is extracted from parish register.

a George Death is living with parents in 1861,image shows a widower ,Blacksmith journeyman and age 33.

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 26 Jan 2011 23:27

Right,Kay,but that'll be the "other" Alice-bornHoxne reg disrtrict. If Harry is correct,then it's the other Alice we wanted.

I suppose it's too late to ask who Alice (the daughter) married??

Maureen

Harry

Harry Report 27 Jan 2011 00:03

Thanks to all. Some very good info there which I will pass on. Very much appreciate all your time and effort.

Happydays