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Any one with the names Benjamin and Lousia Prangnell with sons Wilfred and Benjamin.

Thank you Rosemary

need dates and a location

This is the only birth for a Wilfred Prangnell that I can see, but doesn't fit with the marriage???
Births Mar 1903 (>99%)
Prangnell Wilfred Claud J Southwark 1d 51

Here they are in 1911:-
PRANGNELL, Benjamin Marcus Head Married M 37 1874 Clerk Invoice London Peckham VIEW
PRANGNELL, Louisa Wife Married 14 years F 41 1870 London Bermondsey VIEW
PRANGNELL, Benjamin William Marcus Son M 13 1898 School London Camberwell VIEW
PRANGNELL, Wilfred Claude John Son M 8 1903 School London Southwark VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2453 Reference:
RG14PN2453 RG78PN82 RD27 SD1 ED3 SN276

Registration District:
Camberwell Sub District:
Dulwich Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Camberwell

Address:
14 Balchier Road E Dulwich County:
London

4 children - 2 living, 2 dead.

.........so birth looks to be correct.

..........birth for Benjamin:-
Births Jun 1897 (>99%)
Prangnell Benjamin W M St. Saviour 1d 133

Their marriage:-
Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)
Bratley Charles William St. Olave 1d 500
xxxx Dell Louisa St. Olave 1d 500
FLATMAN Emily St. Olave 1d 500
xxxx Prangnell Benjamin Marcus St. Olave 1d 500

EDIT:-
Name: Benjamin Marcus Prangnell
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Occupation: Drapers Clerk
Address: 128 Jamaica Road
Spouse Name: Louisa Dell
Spouse Age: 26
Address: 45 Snows Fields
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 28 Jun 1896
Parish: St James, Bermondsey
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Benjamin Prangnell
Occupation: Wharfinger ?
Spouse Father Name: William Dell
Occupation: Carpenter

Name: Benjamin Marcus Prangnell
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Camberwell
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 677

also this on ancestry, but my sub. doesn't let me view:-

Border Crossings: From U.S. to Canada, 1908-1935
Immigration & Travel
Name: Benjamin Marcus Prangnell
Arrival Port: Houlton, Maine
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Arrival: date

Possible 1891?
Name: Benjamin Prangell
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Matilde Prangell
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: Publisher Assistant - Books

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Matilde Prangell 57 born: London (Ice Maker) - Widow
Alice Prangell 22 born: London
Benjamin Prangell 17
Thomas Prangell 12
William Smith 22

.............on the marriage record, witness for Benjamin was a Thomas Prangnell.

Matilde is noted as Widow in 1891 census and I did find this:-

Deaths Dec 1888 (>99%)
PRANGNELL Benjamin 60 St. Olave 1d 163

..........so could fit??

1881 for same family:-
Name: Benjamin Raugnell
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's name: Benjamin Raugnell
Mother's name: Matilda G. Raugnell
Gender: Male
Where born: Peckham, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 11 Guy St

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Raugnell 43 (Shipping Commercial Clerk)
Matilda G. Raugnell 41
Alice M. Raugnell 12
Benjamin Raugnell 7
Thomas F. Raugnell 2

...........so father is Benjamin.

Just checked for occupation of Benjamin (father) in the marriage as I wasn't sure exactly what it was and it does seem to fit with the census record..........:-

Wharfinger is an archaic term for a person who is the keeper or owner of a wharf. The wharfinger took custody of and was responsible for goods delivered to the wharf, typically had an office on the wharf or dock, and was responsible for day-to-day activities including slipways, keeping tide tables and resolving disputes.

.............so all seems to fit together nicely.

1871
Name: Benjamin Praugnell
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Matilda G Praugnell
Gender: Male
Where born: Spitalfields
Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: Bermondsey St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Praugnell 33 (Commercial Clerk)
Matilda G Praugnell 31 born: Lambeth, Surrey
Alfred George Praugnell 4 born: Bermondsey
Alice Maria Praugnell 2 born: Bermondsey
I Praugnell (daughter) 1 Month born: Bermondsey


Name: Alfred George Prangnell
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 9
District: Camberwell
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 506

Marriage for Alice:-
Alice Maria Prangnell 1893 Camberwell Greater London, London, Surrey
Ernest William Waller 1893 Camberwell Greater London, London, Surrey

Here she's noted as Alice Marion, but husband is the same and father is Benjamin:-
Name: Alice Marion Prangnell
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Occupation: Bookfolder
Spouse Name: Ernest William Waller
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 05 Feb 1893
Parish: St Philip the Apostle, Camberwell
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Benjamin Prangnell
Occupation: Custom House Officer (deceased)
Spouse Father Name: John Waller

This looks to be Benjamin (father)'s marriage:-
Marriages Mar 1864 (>99%)
Austin Ebenezer St. Olave 1d 58
Curtis Sarah Bermondsey 1d 58
Kraushaar John Matthew Bermondsey 1d 58
Krawshaar John Matthew Bermondsey 1d 58
Prangnell Benjamin Bermondsey 1d 58

..........but some names are missing.

this looks to be the correct one for Benjamin:-
Marriages Mar 1864
Day Matilda George Bermondsey 1d 5_

Name: Matilda George Day
Address: 1 Guy Street
Spouse Name: Benjamin Rangell (name does look to begin with a Pr and not just an R and his signature show Prangnell)
Occupation: Mercantile Clerk
Address: 17 New Western Street
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 13 Mar 1864
Parish: Christ Church, Bermondsey
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: George Day
Occupation: Plumber
Spouse Father Name: Benjamin Rangell
Occupation: Warehouse Keeper
Witness for Benjamin:- Charles Frederick Prangnell

BENJAMIN PRANGNALL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 APR 1838 Spitalfields Christ Church, Stepney, London, England
Father: BENJAMIN PRANGNALL
Mother: ANNA MARIA

possible siblings:-
WALTER PRANGNELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 20 DEC 1834
Gender: Male Christening: 25 JAN 1835 Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London, England
Death: 06 FEB 1836

ARTHUR PRANGNELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 09 FEB 1837
Gender: Male Christening: 05 MAR 1837 Saint James, Westminster, London, England

MARY ANN PRANGNELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 DEC 1843 Saint Luke, West Norwood, London, England

possible marriage (but this is a submitted entry):-
BENJAMIN PRANGNELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 16 AUG 1831 St Holy Trinity, Saint Marylebone, London, England
Spouse: ANNA MARIE LOVETT

Name: Anna Maria Lovett
Spouse Name: Benjamin Prangnell
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 16 Aug 1831
Parish: St Marylebone
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster

Name: Benjamin Prangnell
Spouse Name: Anna Maria Lovett
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 16 Aug 1831
Parish: St Marylebone
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster

With the reference to Wm.Lovett in this 1841 census, I would say that this could very well be probably Benjamin :-

Name: Benjamin Prangneld
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: Little George Street

Occupation: F.S.

Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Rectory
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
M Prangneld 35
Jane Prangneld 12
Charles Prangneld 6
Benjamin Prangneld 3
Alfred Prangneld 8 MO
Wm Lovett 40

1851
Name: Benjamin Praugnese
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Son
Father's name: Beryn Praugnese
Mother's name: Ann M Praugnese
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Spitalfields, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: Lambeth St Luke
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address: Woodcote Place No.3

Occupation:

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Brixton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Beryn Praugnese 40 - born: Egham, Surrey (Servant, Butler and ?)
Ann M Praugnese 42 - born: Walford, Hertfordshire (Laundress)
Benjamin Praugnese 13 - Scholar
Alfred R Praugnese 10
Mary Ann Praugnese 7 - born: Norwood, Surrey
Lane Leopard 22 - visitor born: Chesby, Surrey

for future ref. pm from Rosemary:-

Hi Catherine, Thanks for all your hard work, it is the Prangnell with the wife Louisa which is correct. I am going forward with Wilfred who in 1937 married a Edith Morgan which is where the brickwall is.I was hoping for a Genes member who might be a relative of Prangnell or Morgan to help me further

Thank you
Rosemary