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checked the marriage cert again. My grandmother (May) was living at 88 Sumatra Road at the time of her marriage.

Jonathan Bollingbroke lived London 1871 through to 1901 appearing in Hampshire by the 1911.

J Bolingbroke and Rose Monks

Must be a connection!!!!!!!!!


Person: BOLINGBROKE, Jonathan
Address: 88 Sumatra Road West Hampstead N W

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BOLINGBROKE, Jonathan Head Widower M 62 1849 Carpet Danner Horringer Suffolk VIEW
MONKS, Sarah Servant Married
31 years F 52 1859 Nurse Fishpond Bristol VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
639 Reference:
RG14PN639 RG78PN22 RD8 SD1 ED49 SN110

Registration District:
Hampstead Sub District:
Hampstead Enumeration District:
49 Parish:
Hampstead

Address:
88 Sumatra Road West Hampstead N W County:
London



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J Bolingbroke and Rose Monks

Linda, an you post the names please? (witnesses)

Annx

I think they may have been friends as neither have surnames I recognise
Linda

Well I wouldnt rule it out!! Proffessions change quite a lot through the years. This John Lumber is quite a bit older than the age on your marriage, but he may have taken a few years off as his wife so young, people told a lot of porkies in the days of no ID! lol

Who were the witnesses?

Annx

This looks like daughter Edith's (from the 1911) marriage:
Name: Edith Mary(reads May on image) Lumber 140 Trevelyan Rd.
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Spouse Name: George Stratten
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 18 Feb 1917
Parish: St Nicholas, Tooting Graveney
County: Surrey
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: John James Lumber Occ:Storekeeper
Spouse Father Name: George Loebe Stratten


Maureen

This death works out at a birth year of around 1863 - could it be him?

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005

Name: John J Lumber
Death Registration Month/Year: 1934
Age at death (estimated): 71
Registration district: Surrey Mid Eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 173

Linda, might I tactfully suggest that he was even older than people realised. It's certainly not uncommon for people to fib about their age on marriage certificates, especially when they're trying to close the gap in age with a much younger spouse.

I wouldn't get too hung up about the profession, people do change jobs.

Mike. My mother always said that her father was a lot older than her mother and this appears to be true from photos . I have just looked at their marriage cert again and he was def a widower and a cleaner at the Army and Navy! His father (deceased) had been a boiler maker . The 1881 census shows the father there as being a boiler maker and the son a riveter but I can't make the dates work!
Ann, their address at the time my mother was born and when May died was 140 Trevelyan Road Tooting !! I thought initially that the 1911 census entry you found was his first wife/family but profession is wrong .

This may relate to John Lumbers wife on the 1911, age a little out though. Wandsworth includes the district of Tooting their home in 1911.


Deaths Dec 1917 (>99%)
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Lumber Emma 54 Wandsworth 1d 700

This may be them???????



Person: LUMBER, John Jas
Address: North Street, Bedminster, Bristol

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LUMBER, John Head M 34 1837 Monmouthshire VIEW
LUMBER, Elizabeth Wife F 35 1836 Somerset VIEW
LUMBER, John Jas Son M 10 1861 Somerset VIEW

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RG10 Piece:
2509 Folio:
50 Page:
10

Registration District:
Bedminster Sub District:
Bedminster Enumeration District:
23 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Bedminster Municipal Borough:
Bristol Address:
North Street, Bedminster, Bristol County:
Somersetshire

Only one I can see


Births Sep 1861 (>99%)
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LUMBER John James Bedminster 5c 762

Just searching on JOHN LUMBER ANY AGE/ANY COUNTY below is the only one that comes anywhere near the age, and is still a way off!Person: LUMBER, John James
Address: 138 Trevelyan Road Tooting S W

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LUMBER, John James Head Married M 48 1863 Wood Turner Bristol Somerset VIEW
LUMBER, Emma Wife Married
27 years F 51 1860 Henley Hartfordshire VIEW
LUMBER, Arthur John Son Single M 25 1886 Linesman Cardiff Wales VIEW
LUMBER, Edith May Daughter Single F 18 1893 Machines Southwark London VIEW
MOORE, Alice Selina Boarder Single F 24 1887 Dressmaker Westminster London VIEW
MOORE, Albert Edward Boarder Single M 16 1895 Porter Westminster London VIEW
MOORE, Charles Fredrick Boarder M 14 1897 School Westminster London VIEW
MOORE, Sidney Boarder M 13 1898 School Westminster London VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2358 Reference:
RG14PN2358 RG78PN78B RD26 SD5 ED73 SN201

Registration District:
Wandsworth Sub District:
Streatham Enumeration District:
73 Parish:
Wandsworth Borough

Address:
138 Trevelyan Road Tooting S W County:
London

Name: John James Lumber
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 25 Aug 1861
Baptism/Christening Place: Bedminster, Somerset, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Lumber
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Lumber
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01610-0
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1849425
Reference Number: yr 1853-1865 p 218
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Still doesn't make him 52 in 1921 but only one I can see
What was his (or his father's) occupation on the marriage cert ?

Births Sep 1861
LUMBER John James - Bedminster 5c 762


Household:1881

John LUMBER Head M Male 42 Cardiff, Wales Boiler Maker
Hannah LUMBER Wife M Female 26 Bristol Bedminster
John J. LUMBER St Son U Male 19 Bristol Bedminster Riveter In Iron Foundry
Martha E. LUMBER Daug Female 3 Bristol Bedminster Scholar
Elizabeth A. LUMBER Daug Female 2 Bristol Bedminster
Robert Hy. LUMBER Son Male 6 m Bristol Bedminster

Dwelling 25 Water Street
Census Place Bedminster, Somerset, England

Was his age definately 52 when marrying 31yr old May Josephine ? Could it have been 32 mistranscribed ?

Have you found him on any census record ?

I'm looking for help,if possible , to find out more about my maternal grandfather John James Lumber.
I've drawn a blank with his birth.
He married (age 52) May Josephine Corry(age31) in 1921 in Hampstead. ( I think it may have been his second marriage) .
The marriage cert gives his father as also being John James Lumber- deceased at time of their marriage . I can't find any trace of him.
Would be very grateful for any suggestions
Thanks
LInda