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Dont know if there is any connection but came across this birth:-

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Willie Stead Steel
Name: Willie Stead Steel
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Holbeck
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 347

and marriage;-

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about William Stead Steel
Name: William Stead Steel
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Preston
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 940


and possible death:-

Deaths Mar 1923
STEEL William S 42 Preston 8e 672


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Reg. District: Preston Sub District: West Preston
Parish: Preston Enum. District: 14
Address: 110 Bow Lane Preston
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
STEEL, William Stead Head Married M 30 1881 General Labourer Yorks Holbeck
STEEL, Annie Wife Married 8 years F 28 1883 Warrington Lancs
STEEL, Annie Daughter F 7 1904 Lancs Preston
STEEL, Ellen Daughter F 3 1908 Lancs Preston
STEEL, Lilian Daughter F 1 1910 Lancs Preston
WHITE, Ann Boarder Widow F 74 1837 Ireland Drumond

Hi Folks, Again grateful here, all very relavent and filling in gaps as we go
so thanks! Any and all material helps the jig-saw for me. I have managed to link with the other two Families involved via GR but, they too cannot trace back as with myself? Your notes/data confirming as they come in with basics. That some of you are painstakingly applying more time is much valued and appreciated. Please stay with me a while longer and apologies if I'm off radar now and again, I do check when possible! M.

Hi M - yes, the marriage certificate is a must!

Many thanks all for this, a great deal to ponder and work out here. Marlene b.1932 was registered as STEAD STEEL so may be this significant and also why I'm blocked to date? I suppose the Marriage-Cert. would be the solution if nothing further in search allows( There are suggestions of Siblings, unproved so far!)? Again your indulgance to note your findings please and, repeated thanks yet again! M

Yes, mother's maiden name SHOULD always be the mother's birth name - although what is recorded is only the information given - and sometimes people don't always tell the truth.

Kath. x

Yes, Flick - I hadn't thought to look at daughter's birth record. Am I right in thinking that even if the mother had been married before then it would be her original maiden name on the birth?

This could be the Constance Ethel Steele whose birth MarieCeleste found in the 1901 census:-



1901 England Census about Constance E Steele
Name: Constance E Steele
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Steele
Mother's name: Emma L Steele
Gender: Female
Where born: Newington, St Mary, London, England
Civil Parish: Tottenham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Tottenham
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 179
Household Members:
Name Age

William Steele 37
Emma L Steele 36
Mabel L Steele 13
William H Steele 11
Constance E Steele 8 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Stanley H Steele 6
Philip L Steele 4
Norman Steele 2
Catherine G Steele Under 4 Months

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1249; Folio: 18; Page: 28.

Kath. x

The previous marriage - if any - would only have been for the male, unless two Steels married!.

Ethel's daughter - surname and MMN Steel - was born in 1932.

Possible?

Births Sep 1892
Steele Constance Ethel St. Saviour 1d 176

Can't find any birth with names other way round.

It appears she married as Ethel:

Marriages Mar 1933
Steel Ethel Wozencroft Pickering 9d 561
Wozencroft Arthur J Steel Pickering 9d 561

Do you have a copy of the certificate?

Given they were fairly mature when they married it's possible there was a previous marriage?

Her marriage cert would include her father's details......if known

Perhaps she was born somewhere other than England/Wales........or wasn't called Steel at birth?

She may have been illegitimate.and taken a stepfather's name if/when her mother married?

Just hypothesising..............

Hi Flick & MBI,

These are valid and important to me, confirming little info. held to date so greatly appreciated, please allow me a couple of days to note all details given here for transcription and follow ups? GRs are coming in with all this Family's GRO-Refs now I'm pleased to say and much of the searching confusions re. names etc. now sorting themselves out at last.!

Where Tree searches undertaken, I can track Ethel onward in Marriage an Death plus issue, but not her origins strangely which is the brickwall for me so far in it all? A Canadian Cousin has her as I gave @ 1894 etc. but he has no specifics either in this question and we are both stumped?

Regardless, all your assistances valued and thanks your kind indulgences to date! M.

Is this Ethels husband??

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Arthur John Wozencroft
Name: Arthur John Wozencroft
Birth Date: 24 Oct 1899
Death Registration Month/Year: 1976
Registration district: Bristol
Inferred County: Avon
Volume: 22
Page: 0641

birth of a son:-

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Arthur J Wozencroft
Name: Arthur J Wozencroft
Mother's Maiden Surname: Steel
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1936
Registration district: Easington
Registration County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 604

Her death may have been registered by a relative.

Name: Ethel Constance Wozencroft
Birth Date: 29 Jun 1894
Death Registration Month/Year: 1982
Registration district: Derby
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 6
Page: 0781

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Anyone with connections to Ethel Constance STEEL b.C1894. Later to marry Arthur John WOZENCROFT (Mine: Co. DURHAM Pits) 1933. She had Daughter Marlene b.1932 in PICKERING N/Yorks. The Family removed to SCUNTHORPE N/Lincs. Grateful!