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Twins?

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Janette

Janette Report 1 Jan 2011 19:46

There are two children I suspect of being twins. On Free BMD one is said to be found in Vol. 3a Page 318 and other other Vol. 3a Page 318a would this mean they were twins or are several children registered on one page?

Thanks, Janette

Janette

Janette Report 1 Jan 2011 20:29

Thanks Susan the family had around 18 children so I'm avoiding sending for a birth certificate wherever possible but if needs must :P Best Wishes for the New Year

mac

mac Report 1 Jan 2011 20:37

Can you give the name, date and area - sometimes the suffix means a late entry hand written at the bottom of the page, ie a late registration or they'd missed it.

Janette

Janette Report 1 Jan 2011 20:38

Ernest and George Haydon born 1891 in Congleton or Biddulph depending where you look.

mac

mac Report 1 Jan 2011 20:57

Both are registered Congleton, Q2 1891. Neither are an added entry.

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 1 Jan 2011 20:58

Looks like twins!

1891 England Census
about George Haydon
Name: George Haydon
Age: 2/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Father's name: William T Haydon
Mother's name: Sarah Haydon
Gender: Male
Where born: Biddulph, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Biddulph
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence
Town: Bradley Green
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Congleton
Sub-registration district: Congleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William T Haydon 47
Sarah Haydon 44
Henry Haydon 19
Andrew Haydon 17
Elizebeth Haydon 16
Anne Haydon 14
Sarah June Haydon 12
Emma Haydon 10
James Haydon 8
John Ed Haydon 3
Samuel Haydon 1
>>>>>>>>Earnest Haydon 2/12
>>>>>>>>George Haydon 2/12
Thomas Haydon 22
Alice Maud Haydon 21

mac

mac Report 1 Jan 2011 21:10

Sorry, don't know who you are tracing, but it looks like Ernest died in infancy:

Deaths Dec 1891 (>99%)
Haydon Ernest 0 Congleton 8a 194

George's birth is registered 8a 318a and Ernest's 8a 318. There weren't that many couples of child bearing age in Congleton on the 1891 census, so they could have been twins.

Guess Moody Blue got there first

Janette

Janette Report 1 Jan 2011 21:10

Thanks Mac and Moody Blue :) Now what confuses me is looking on IGI Ernest and George's parents are named as William and Mary Jane Haydon. Was it common for errors like this to happen?

Familyfinder

Familyfinder Report 1 Jan 2011 22:53

if its submitted there are a lot of errors so if you can check the parish records.

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 1 Jan 2011 23:10

if you look at the reg on cheshirebmd they have the same Cheshire reg no

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1891
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HAYDON Ernest Congleton Cheshire East CON/64/95
HAYDON George Congleton Cheshire East CON/64/95

mgnv

mgnv Report 2 Jan 2011 00:33

Ann - this would just mean they're on the same page in the local register.
Actually, one can infer the births are registered even closer together than one can infer from the GRO index, since the local registers only have 5 births per page.

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 2 Jan 2011 11:19

See what you mean!

IGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
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George Haydon Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
26 JAN 1891 Biddulph, Stafford, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: William Haydon Family
Mother: Mary Jane

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


IGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
Search Results | Download | Print

Ernest Haydon Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
26 JAN 1891 Biddulph, Stafford, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: William Haydon Family
Mother: Mary Jane

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 2 Jan 2011 11:27

In 1901 their names are different yet again ie:
Thomas William and Sarah Jane?

1901 England Census
about George Hayden
Name: George Hayden
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas Wm Hayden
Mother's name: Sara Jane Hayden
Gender: Male
Where born: Biddulph

Civil Parish: Biddulph
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence
Town: Bradley Green
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Leek
Sub-registration district: Biddulph
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 55
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Wm Hayden 57
Sara Jane Hayden 55
Sara Jane Hayden 22
Emma Hayden 20
James Hayden 19
John Edward Hayden 14
Samuel Hayden 11
George Hayden 9
Mina Hayden 7

also same as in 1881:

1881 England Census
about Thomas Wm. Hayden
Name: Thomas Wm. Hayden
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah J. Hayden

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 2 Jan 2011 11:35

My grandmother's name was Mary Jane and yet on some documents (including the baptism of my aunt) she is recorded as Sarah Jane. I know a few people who have had the same experience with Mary Jane and Sarah Jane being interchanged for some unknown reason - perhaps the person recording the information just mis-heard.

Kath. x

Janette

Janette Report 2 Jan 2011 11:39

Thanks Ann, FairlyFatFairy, Moody Blue

I am certain they are twins now and am convinced they must be the children of Thomas William and Sarah Jane for one thing they are listed with them on the 1891 census and it would be a big coincidence that their Ernest died also. I just can't understand why they are listed on IGI as the children of William and Mary Jane Haydon - William I could forgive as it is his middle name but Mary??

Janette

Janette

Janette Report 2 Jan 2011 11:42

Thanks Kath, Unusal that so many people have had this same situation, but I am convicned this must be the case and am becoming more so all the time.

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 2 Jan 2011 13:45

On that Cheshire reg no, the page no I think is 64 of the Congleton register and 95 is the entry no. (tho I am willing to be proved wrong) I am sure I have seen it on Lancs bmd wheretwins have consecutive nos for the last no.

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 2 Jan 2011 18:02

Births Jun 1847
Hickman Sarah Jane Wolverhampton 17 334


Marriages Sep 1867
HAYDON Thomas William Newcastle L 6b 81
HICKMAN Sarah Jane Newcastle L 6b 81

1871 England Census
about Thos William Haydon
Name: Thos William Haydon
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah Jane Haydon
Gender: Male
Where born: Wells W Bath, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Newcastle Under Lyme
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
>>>>>>>>>Registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme
Sub-registration district: Newcastle under Lyme
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 118
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos William Haydon 27 born Wells W Bath, Somerset, England
Sarah Jane Haydon 22 born Bilston, Staffordshire, England
John Haydon 3 born Newcastle,
T William Haydon 2 born Newcastle
Mary Ann Haydon 8 Month born Newcastle,

Registration district in 1871 census supports the marriage above.




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