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I have a Horace Gordon Bishop born in 1898 in the district of Hackney. I have managed to find his service records for ww1 and it states his parents were James and Rosetta Bishop. However James may have been known as Alfred or vice versa. I am having great difficulty finding the family on either the 1901 census or the 1911. Please can anyone help find them, thank you.

address on service records is 61 Berger Road -


1911

350 BISHOP, James Alfred Head Married
33 years M 55 1856 Painter St John Rd Hoxton VIEW
350 BISHOP, Rosetto Wife Married F 45 1866 St John Rd Hoxton VIEW
350 BISHOP, Arthur Son M 21 1890 Painter Mildmay Park VIEW
350 BISHOP, Araiz Son M 12 1899 Homerton VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1165 Reference:
RG14PN1165 RG78PN38 RD11 SD5 ED26 SN350

Registration District:
Hackney Sub District:
South East Hackney Enumeration District:
26 Parish:
St John At Hackney

Address:
61 Berger Road Homerton N E County:
London

1911 census

BISHOP, James Alfred Head Married
33 years M 55 1856 Painter St John Rd Hoxton VIEW
BISHOP, Rosetto Wife Married F 45 1866 St John Rd Hoxton VIEW
BISHOP, Arthur Son M 21 1890 Painter Mildmay Park VIEW
BISHOP, Araiz Son M 12 1899 Homerton VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1165 Reference:
RG14PN1165 RG78PN38 RD11 SD5 ED26 SN350

Registration District:
Hackney Sub District:
South East Hackney Enumeration District:
26 Parish:
St John At Hackney

Address:
61 Berger Road Homerton N E County:
London

1881

James BISHOP Head M Male 24 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Paper Hanger
Rosetta BISHOP Wife M Female 22 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Gold Beater & Stone Preparer (0/19)
Rbt. HOLLOWAY Brother U Male 12 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling 141 Downham Rd
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341057
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0264 / 4
Page Number 2

Thank you both for this info on the 1911, do you think it should be 23 years not 33? Also does it please state how many children were born to the marriage please? Rebecca.

1881 - connected?

Henry BISHOP Head W Male 48 St George, Middlesex, England Carman
Caroline BISHOP Daug U Female 19 M E N T, Middlesex, England Machinist
Rosetta BISHOP Daug U Female 16 M E N T, Middlesex, England Gen Servt


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Source Information:
Dwelling Eley Place No No
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341096
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0441 / 53
Page Number 4

1901. It IS Bishop on the image

1901 England Census
about Horace Bartish
Name: Horace Bartish
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Relation: Son
Father's name: James Bartish
Mother's name: Rosetta Bartish
Gender: Male
Where born: Homerton, London, England

Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Homerton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South-East Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 195
Household Members: Name Age
James Bartish 44 House Decorator
Rosetta Bartish 42
Arthur Bartish 11
Rose Bartish 9
Horace Bartish 5


Andy

1881

Rosetta BISHOP Head W Female 83 Hampsted, Middlesex, England Annuitant
Mary J. MATLOCK Visitor M Female 42 Calcutta, India Annuitant
Elleanor E. MATLOCK Gt Neice Female 13 Calcutta, India Scholar
Ann KILEY Niece U Female 55 Leicester, England Annuitant
Elizabeth FALCONER Serv U Female 48 Perth, Scotland Ladys Maid
Emma TUCKEY Serv U Female 43 Leamington, Warwick, England Cook
Elizabeth RENSHAW Serv W Female 40 Loughton, Essex, England Housemaid
Mary MERRYDEW Serv U Female 20 Hale, Surrey, England Housemaid
Annie CLARK Serv Female 22 Hitchin, Hertford, England Housemaid
William KEMP Serv U Male 38 Broughton, Wiltshire, England Butler
Henery HALLS Serv U Male 22 Wigham, Suffolk, England Footman


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Source Information:
Dwelling 51 Gt Cumberland Place
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341033
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0147 / 5
Page Number 3

8 children born alive, 3 still living, 5 died in 1911 census.

They were married for 33 years.

Wonder if this birth is connected

Name: James Alfred Bishop
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1880
Baptism Date: 12 Dec 1880
Father's name: James Bishop
Mother's name: Rosetta Bishop
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington


James is a house decorator

Baring ST, Hoxton

Possible marriage for parents

Name: James Bishop - paper hanger
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Spouse Name: Rosetta Holloway
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 03 Nov 1879
Parish: St Mary
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Father Name: James Bishop - house decorator
Spouse Father Name: Francis Holloway

It looks like James Alfred was also a son of a James & Rosetta:

Name: James Alfred Bishop
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1880
Baptism Date: 12 Dec 1880
Father's name: James Bishop
Mother's name: Rosetta Bishop
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington

Address was Baring St., Hoxton.

Good spot for 1901 Andrew

Wow. i cant thank you enough for this infomation, it is looking like it all connects together well. I am slightly confused about the 33 years of marriage as in the 1911 as Rosetta states she was born c.1866 and then changes for each census as i have been reading down the list. I shall try and find any matching births for her, once again thank you so much,Rebecca.

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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Rosetta Holloway
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1858 (5th August 1858 on original)
Baptism Date: 22 Aug 1858
Father's name: Francis Holloway
Mother's name: Margaret Holloway
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney

TY Choccy, this is a good possibility.

Please can anyone help me find a Rosetta Holloway in either the 1861 or 1871 before she married in 1879, i am having some trouble finding her, thank you.

I have just found her in 1871 but please can anyone see her in 1861, thank you. As below....


Name: Rose Holloway
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Francis Holloway
Mother's name: Margaret Holloway
Gender: Female
Where born: Hoxton, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour Hoxton
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Hoxton Old Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Household schedule number: 67
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Holloway 39
Margaret Holloway 37
Ann Holloway 14
Rose Holloway 11
Francis Holloway 10
Eliza Holloway 8
Robert Holloway 10 Months