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That's OK Patricia , we enjoy it, keeps the little grey cells stimulated

Jennifer

Thank you MaureeninNY and RutlandBelle for your help. Think that is a satisfactory result.

LOl! Tangled relationships are sometimes easier than my tangled Christmas lights,I think!

Maureen

He certainly has-think we should go into business Maureen sorting out tangled relationships

2nd marriage

Marriages Sep 1907
FORREST Alice Helena Lewisham 1d 2189

HOLMES Frederick William Lewisham 1d 2189

Has he been messing about with his name again??
Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%)

FORREST Alice Helena Lewisham 1d 2189

HOLMES Frederick William Lewisham 1d 2189

Maureen

Think that is it Maureen as she is 27 at marriage in 1871 so that makes her birth about 1866 which ties in with the age at death

Just found that death for Louisa - thinking she was first wife, Alice second and mother of George and Alfred.

Deaths Mar 1906 (>99%)
Holmes Louisa 40 Lewisham 1d 699

No,haven't found a death or a likely re-marriage for WF. Just odd that they say married 18 years and 5 kids. Good thing Patricia spotted that!

I really don't know what to think!

Sorry.

Maureen

Yes Maureen, had to have a look as I did not think they could have been married 18yrs and there is a gap between Sydney and George.

Have you found a death for Louisa?

Oh dear - now my head is spinning.
have to sort that lot.
Thanks everyone

Now you got there ahead of me!!

Maureen

Hmm-that's odd. I'd swear this is the same family in 1901,but mother is now Louisa:
1901 census transcription details for: 132, Bravington Road, Paddington
Name: Sidney Holmes
Age: 7 Months
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Holmes
Mother's name: Louisa Holmes
Gender: Male
Where born: Paddington, London, England
Civil Parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Paddington
Sub-registration district: St Mary, Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 452
Household Members:
Name Age
William Holmes 30 Occ:Coach trimmer
Louisa Holmes 25
Frederick Holmes 4
William Holmes 2
Sidney Holmes 7 Months
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 6; Folio: 34; Page: 60.


Marriages Sep 1893 (>99%)
Holmes William Frederick Paddington 1a 122
Mason Louisa Paddington 1a 122

Maureen

their marriage is on London records and his full name is William Frederick Holmes coach trimmer

Name: William Frederick Holmes
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Spouse Name: Louisa Mason
Spouse Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 07 Aug 1893
Parish: St Saviour, Paddington
County: London
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: Albert Holmes
Spouse Father Name: John Mason

Is it just me or is this the family in 1901 though father has a different name but same occupation as 1911 and also married to someon else?
Children are same names and same ages

Name: William Holmes coach builder/fitter
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Louisa Holmes
Gender: Male
Where born: Paddington, London, England

Civil Parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:


Registration district: Paddington
Sub-registration district: St Mary, Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 452
Household Members: Name Age
William Holmes 30
Louisa Holmes 25
Frederick Holmes 4
William Holmes 2
Sidney Holmes 7 Months

Thank you so much XmasPudding

LOL!
Welcome,Patricia.

~~~~~~~to Jennifer.

Mx

Hi a possible

1911 census

Household information
Address 104 Malham Road Forest Hill
Parish Lewisham
Type of Building Dwelling House
Number of Rooms 5 Rooms
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN2837 RG78PN96 RD29 SD4 ED31 SN383
Administrative County London
Registration District Lewisham
Registration Sub District Sydenham
Enumeration District 31

Householder 1
Name Fredrick Holmes
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married Married / 18 Years
Total Children Born Alive 5
Children Still Living 5
Gender M
Age 40
Estimated Year of Birth 1871
Occupation Coach Liner
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry Coach Building
Place of Birth Paddington London
Nationality British
Infirmity None

Householder 2
Name Alice Holmes
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Condition / Years Married Married
Gender F
Age 32
Estimated Year of Birth 1879
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Paddington London
Nationality British
Infirmity None

Householder 3
Name Frederick Holmes
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 14
Estimated Year of Birth 1897
Occupation Errand Boy Oilshop
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Paddington London
Nationality British
Infirmity None

Householder 4
Name William Holmes
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 12
Estimated Year of Birth 1899
Occupation School
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Paddington London
Nationality British
Infirmity None

Householder 5
Name Sydney Holmes
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 10
Estimated Year of Birth 1901
Occupation School
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Paddington London
Nationality British
Infirmity None

Householder 6
Name George Holmes
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 3
Estimated Year of Birth 1908
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Forest Hill London
Nationality British
Infirmity None

Householder 7
Name Alfred Holmes
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender F
Age 2 Months
Estimated Year of Birth 1911
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Forest Hill London
Nationality British
Infirmity None

it says married 18 yrs which would make Alice only 14 when she married if it is all correct