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Annie Helena Ring born 1873 Greenwich District

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CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 13 Dec 2010 21:17

Can anyone find her in the 1881 census? I am hoping she might be with her parents. I am doing the research for someone else as they are interested in getting started out as much as possible and then will order the certs they need. It is not my direct family.

According to her marriage 1893 in Deptford St Nicholas, her father was a George Ring (Engineer) deceased. She married Alfred Henry Mence (who also used the name Henry Charles Mence)

Witnesses to her wedding were Frederick and Fanny Ring, I think Frederick might be her brother and Fanny his wife. As I have found a marriage between a Frederick George Ring and Fanny Harvey 1885 in Deptford St Paul, father George Ring an Iron Moulder.

thanks in advance

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

**Ann**

**Ann** Report 13 Dec 2010 21:29

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census - household transcription
Person: RING, Ann
Address: 19, Copperas Lane, St Paul Deptford

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Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
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RING, Eliza Head Widow F 38 1843
Gravesend
Kent VIEW
RING, Frederick Son Single M 18 1863 Railway Guard
Gravesend
Kent VIEW
RING, Alfred Son Single M 16 1865 Railway Guard
Northfleet
Kent VIEW
RING, James Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar
Deptford
Kent VIEW
RING, Walter Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar
Deptford
Kent VIEW
RING, Ann Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
Deptford
Kent VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
702 Folio:
94 Page:
7

Registration District:
Greenwich Sub District:
St Paul Deptford Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St Paul Deptford Municipal Borough:
Address:
19, Copperas Lane, St Paul Deptford County:
Kent



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CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 13 Dec 2010 21:29

just to help this is her in 1891 I believe:

HOUGHTON, William Head Married M 43 1848 Draper
Hackney
London VIEW
HOUGHTON, Sarah Wife Married F 44 1847
Dorchester
Oxfordshire VIEW
HOUGHTON, William A Son Single M 20 1871 Dress Maker
Rotherhithe
London VIEW
HOUGHTON, Florence W Daughter Single F 17 1874
Rotherhithe
London VIEW
HOUGHTON, Edith D Daughter Single F 4 1887
Rotherhithe
London VIEW
HOUGHTON, Stanley B Son M 12 1879 Scholar
Rotherhithe
London VIEW
COPE, Emma E Servant Single F 29 1862 General Servant
Woolwich
Kent VIEW
RING, Annie Servant Single F 18 1873 General Servant
Greenwich
Kent VIEW
RG number:
RG12 Piece:
512 Folio:
87 Page:
19

Registration District:
Greenwich Sub District:
Greenwich West Enumeration District:
10 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Christchurch

Civil Parish:
Greenwich Municipal Borough:
Address:
Kenilworth, Hamber Road, Greenwich County:
London

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 13 Dec 2010 21:31

oooh thanks Ann that looks like a possibility.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 13 Dec 2010 21:33

this is her brother I think in 1901 which ties in with what you found for 1881. I think I was looking at her for too long, I needed a fresh pair of eyes, so thank you Ann :)

Name: Frederick Ring
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Fanny Ring
Gender: Male
Where born: Gravesend, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Greenwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England


Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Greenwich East
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 531
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Ring 38
Fanny Ring 35
Harry Ring 19
Frances Ring 11
George Ring 9
Ethel Ring 5

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 13 Dec 2010 21:33

Possible death for George:-

Name: George Ring
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Year of Registration: 1874
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 33
District: Greenwich
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 492

Kath. x

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 13 Dec 2010 21:36

got Mother as Ellen here, I wonder if Annie and Frederick had different mother, or Ellen is Eliza or vice versa, will compare them on both census'

Name: Frederick Ring
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's name: George Ring
Mother's name: Ellen Ring
Gender: Male
Where born: Gravesend, Kent, England
Civil Parish: St Paul Deptford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Deptford
Town: Deptford
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 31

Household Members:
Name Age
George Ring 31
Ellen Ring 29
Frederick Ring 8
Alfred Ring 6
Jame Ring 2
Waller Ring 4 Months

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 13 Dec 2010 21:36

thanks Kathleen, that does look like his death

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

**Ann**

**Ann** Report 13 Dec 2010 21:36

Not sure Sib, had a quick look and there are 2 with father George in 1881, occupations dont match though........but that does not mean anything...people often flitted from job to job.

Annx

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 13 Dec 2010 21:37

well the age and place of births match for both Ellen and Eliza, so I would presume the same person. Will look for marriage now, to confirm what her name really is.

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 13 Dec 2010 21:38

the one you found Ann, definately matches the Frederick with wife Fanny in 1901, so I think it is the correct family. :o)

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

**Ann**

**Ann** Report 13 Dec 2010 21:46

Very Promising Sib, am having to log off!!!!!!!!!! OH brother has turned up.....like you do at 9.45pm!!!!!!!!!!!

Must remember the xmas spirit thing! lol

nite nite for now

Ann

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 13 Dec 2010 21:48

There is a marriage in Gravesend in 1862 of a George Ring and Eliza Wiseman.

Gravesend, 2a, page 446, June qtr.

Kath. x

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 13 Dec 2010 21:57

eeek at 9.45pm???

I think I would of hid behind the curtains lol.

thanks for you help.

Night night xxxx

Kathleen, that looks like the marriage will save the reference along with all the others to give to them so they can order certs to confirm everything.

thanks

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 13 Dec 2010 22:12

definately have it confirmed now.

Managed to find Annie's baptism. She wasn't baptised till a few years after her birth along with an older brother Walter William:

Name: Annie Eleanor Ring
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1877
Baptism Date: 14 Jan 1877
Father's name: George Ring
Mother's name: Eliza Ring
Parish or Poor Law Union: Deptford St Paul
Borough: Lewisham

but you can see that is clearly her, even if she is down as Eleanor middle name instead of Helena. But I would imagine it was written down how it was heard.

:)

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 13 Dec 2010 22:14

can anyone work out what the occupation is for her father on her baptism record?

thanks

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 13 Dec 2010 22:18

Where have you found her baptism as I can't see it?

Kath. x

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 13 Dec 2010 22:30

it is on ancestry

under Annie Eleanor Ring 1877 :o)

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 13 Dec 2010 22:34

Don't know what I was doing wrong the first time - I found it this time.

His occupation looks like Trimmer to me.

Definition from old occupations site:-

Trimmer 1) Ship's crewman who trimmed coal in ship's bunkers 2) Dockworker who trimmed grain or bulk cargo in ship's hold to spread it out evenly

Kath. x

CelticShiv

CelticShiv Report 13 Dec 2010 22:48

that coincides with a dock labourer so sounds good to me :)

thanks Kathleen

Researching:
Ashford-Smith, Smith, Clarke - England and Scotland, Anderson & Marr - Midlothian & East Lothian, Bennett - Devonport, Catleugh & Shiells - East Lothian, Cullen & Dowling - Waterford, Ireland, Littlejohns - Plymouth & London, Mansfield - Benfleet & St Pancras, Michelin - London, Newlands - Midlothian & Fife, Paterson - Canongate, Midlothian, Paulin - Northumberland, Rutherford - Roxburghshire, Taylor - East Lothian & Berwickshire, Thomson - Leith & Muthill, Thorney - Herefordshire, Small - Northumberland,