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Birth certificates for Henry Bygrave, 1859 and Hannah Elizabeth Bygrave, 1858, show their parents to be Henry Bygrave and Sarah Ann Bygrave, formerly SMITH. I have all the censuses bar 1851.
Henry's birthplace shows more frequently as Hackney, but Shoreditch for 1861.
Sarah Ann's birthplace consistently shows Hackney.
Their 4 known children are Mary Ann 1854, Hannah Elizabeth 1858, Henry 1859 and William 1865.
Could someone please help with finding the Marriage for Henry and Sarah Ann?
Also, would appreciate an 1841 census look up for Sarah Ann Smith. Census vary her birth from 1829-1831.
I do not have any further info on either of the parents.
The family appears to have stayed in the same general area all their lives.
Thank you.

Also a Sarah Jane born March 2nd 1856.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Sarah Jane Bygrave
Name: Sarah Jane Bygrave
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1857
Baptism Date: 23 Aug 1857
Father's name: Henry Bygrave
Mother's name: Sarah Ann Bygrave
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney St John
Borough: Hackney

Rose

Thank you very much for that additional information.
Would you by any chance, have the Baptismal Record for Henry, also? The younger, born 7 Nov 1859, Clapton in the Sub district of Hackney.
Rae

I cant see a marriage for them


1841 England Census
about Henry Bygrave
Name: Henry Bygrave
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston East
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Bygrave 45
Susan Bygrave 39
Henry Bygrave 13
Sarah Bygrave 3

Not seeing a Sarah Ann Smith in 1841. There are some Sarah Smiths.

Rose

Thank you, Ginny and Rose. Yes, I have seen that Haggerston entry but can't confirm that that Henry is my gg gr'father as his age varies on the censuses from 1825-1828. Really not quite sure how I could ascertain his birth and/or parents.
It's strange how the marriage for Sarah Ann and Henry doesn't show up yet on all censuses, Sarah Ann is stated as 'wife'.
Rae

Makes me wonder if he is the one who married Eliza Dove in 1849 and that's why we can't find his marriage to Sarah. Can't seem to find Eliza after 1851.

Rose

Only one Henry Bygrave in the area in 1841 and 1851:

1841 England Census
about Henry Bygrave Name: Henry Bygrave
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston East
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Bygrave 45
Susan Bygrave 39
Henry Bygrave 13
Sarah Bygrave 3

1851 England Census
about Henry Bygrave Name: Henry Bygrave
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation: Son-in-Law
Spouse's name: Eliza Bygrave
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Less
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Green
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 235
Household Members: Name Age
George Dove 45
Esther Dove 43
E Dove 20
I Dove 14
M Dove 12
Henry Bygrave 23
Eliza Bygrave 21


Rose

I can't see a death for Eliza Bygrave in the right area. So perhaps he wasn't free to marry Sarah.

No, Rose, I have already examined that possibility very closely, and was challenged by the correct descendants of Eliza Dove! Have examined the Censuses for the Bygrave/Dove and reached the same conclusions. Still not knowing Sarah's former name, I sent for the birth certs of young Henry and his sister, Hannah which is how I arrived at Sarah Ann Smith. Is it possible that marriages slip by in BMD records? I don't suppose it's impossible that he married Smith after Dove but no record??
Thanks.
Rae

Pam, The replies crossed. Yes, I have considered that Sarah Ann and Henry were not in a legal marriage. I would imagine that Victorian people then could, for the sake of propriety, answer censuses dishonestly. It's a mystery!
Rae

Who were Eliza Dove's descendants? Be useful to know who they were.

Rose

Here are the other baptisms on Ancestry:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Mary Ann Bygrave Name: Mary Ann Bygrave
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1857
Baptism Date: 23 Aug 1857
Father's name: Henry Bygrave
Mother's name: Sarah Ann Bygrave
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney St John
Borough: Hackney

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Anna Elizabeth Bygrave Name: Anna Elizabeth Bygrave
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1858
Baptism Date: 4 Jul 1858
Father's name: Henry Bygrave
Mother's name: Sarah Bygrave
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney St John
Borough: Hackney

Rose

Thanks, Rose. That second baptism will be for Hannah Elizabeth.Her birth cert shows d.o.b. 10 May 1858. I don't recall Eliza Dove's descendants off the cuff.
Is there a baptismal Record for Henry 1859, my direct line?
I think I'm totally stuck with these great grandparents!!
Rae

Nothing for Henry.

Rose

The marriage for Henry Bygrave to Eliza Dove shows (unclearly) his age as possibly being 26 which would have him born 1823 but then censuses with Henry and Sarah Ann show him as being born 1825-1828, hence the inconsistency! In the 1849 marriage (possbly December-unclear) it describes him as a Rope Maker living at 26 Pitt St, father: William Bygrave, Rope Maker.
I think I will just have to give up!!
I'm in New Zealand. Time for my bed.
Thank you to all for your help.
Regards,
Rae

Rae,

It says "Full Age" on the marriage cert. 26 is part of his address.

See if you can track down the information about Eliza's descendants. If we can locate her in later censuses, we can then rule her out.

Rose

Several trees on Ancestry have Eliza Dove but none has any descendants.

Rose