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could someone pls look up marrige citificate of thomas watson1842 an marybelchamer 1871, or head me in the right direcetion, asap kind regards

I take it the birth years are wrong Debbie or was there a 30 year age gap?
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Marriages Mar 1892
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BELCHAMBER Mary Ann W. Ham 4a 11

Watson Thomas John W. Ham 4a 11

thanks alot much appreciated, look forward to your help again, debbie

Groom's Name: Thomas John Watson
Groom's Birth Date: 1871
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 21
Bride's Name: Mary Ann Belchamber
Bride's Birth Date: 1871
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 21
Marriage Date: 28 Feb 1892
Marriage Place: Canning-Town, Essex, England
Groom's Father's Name: Andrew Watson
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Henry W. Belchamber
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03175-5
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1471944
Reference Number: it 2, p 35
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

hello to all you helpers, thank you are all great,bring so much excitement, could some one get, pls, mary ann w ham, belchamber 1911 daughters house hold for me

1911 census transcription details for: 41 Coolfin Road Victoria Docks E
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN9483 RG78PN508 RD188 SD4 ED13 SN91

Reg. District: West Ham Sub District: Canning Town
Parish: West Ham Enum. District: 13
Address: 41 Coolfin Road Victoria Docks E
County: Essex
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
WATSON, Thomas John Head Married M 40 1871 Carbon Art Agglamerated Blocks Maker North Woolwich Essex
WATSON, Mary Ann Wife Married
19 years F 40 1871 West Ham Essex
WATSON, Thomas Henry Son Single M 17 1894 Soap Worker West Ham Essex
WATSON, Jane Daughter Single F 15 1896 Stamps India Rubber Tyres West Ham Essex
WATSON, Henry Son M 13 1898 West Ham Essex
WATSON, Maud Daughter F 9 1902 West Ham Essex
WATSON, Nellie Daughter F 7 1904 West Ham Essex
WATSON, Ethel Daughter F 5 1906 West Ham Essex
WATSON, Emma Daughter F 5 1906 West Ham Essex
WATSON, William Son M 1 1910 West Ham Essex

Debbie

Do you need information back in time from Mary?

I can put you in touch with someone if you like, but she is not on GR.She knows loads about Belchamber family, especially in West Ham area.


Gwyn

Is this who you mean Debbie?

Name: Cecilia Millicent Watson
Year of Registration: 1896
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 157


I think this is the baptism record for the birth above although it says born 19 Jun 1896 and it's definately not the right one...

Name: Cecilia Millicent Watson
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1901
Baptism Date: 27 Jan 1901
Father's name: William Watson
Mother's name: Clara Watson
Parish or Poor Law Union: Queen Square St George the Martyr
Borough: Camden

Debbie this is the family in 1901 and there is no daughter Cecilia Watson with them? What makes you think they had a daughter Cecilia?
I think it would be a good idea to take up Gwyn's offer of a contact the Belchamber family from West Ham.....

1901 census - household transcription
Person: WATSON, Thomas H
Address: 40, Nelson Street, West Ham
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WATSON, Thomas Head Married M 30 1871 Carbon Maker Laborer
N Woolwich London
WATSON, Mary A Wife Married F 30 1871 West Ham Canning Town
WATSON, Thomas H Son Single M 7 1894 West Ham Canning Town
WATSON, Jane Daughter Single F 5 1896 West Ham Canning Town
WATSON, Henry Son Single M 3 1898 West Ham Canning Town

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RG number: RG13 Piece: 1582 Folio: 86 Page:19

Registration District: West Ham Sub District: Canning Town
Enumeration District: 27 Ecclesiastical Parish: St Lukes
Civil Parish: West Ham

hicathy thanks for trying, dont know myself if any of these, are right, i,ll tell you as much as i know.
cecila burk maiden name
cecila watson marrige name
thomas gorge belchamber 1856-1931
had a step brother, who was
henery copple 1842-1908
who was known as henery belchamber
one of henerys daughters,was named, mary belchamber 1871-1931
who married, thomas watson 1871-1947
whose daughter was cecila watson,who,s my granmother, thats what i,ve been told, on here,
now am thinking could mary belchamber,maybe be a copple, and just maybe
thay were,nt married, an my granmother maybe just give the children farthers name could that of been possible, kind regards debbie

Debbie

I really dont know where you have got this from as our 30 odd pm's to each other your grandmother was Cecilia Burke who married Ambrose Watson in 1938

Or have I wasted about 10 hours of my life trying to sort this for you

I have asked you where this marriage of Thomas and Mary Ann fit in because I cannot fathom it out

jax

All I can say is buy Ambrose and Cecilia's marriage cert to find out who their parents were.

The Ambrose you think is your grandfather born and died in Derbyshire....affraid I dont..... as that one married in 1941

There is this one

Name: Ambrose Watson
Death Registration Month/Year: 1958
Age at death (estimated): 63
Registration district: Gateshead
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 1a
Page: 773

and as his daughter married in that area in 1957 looks more than likely to be him where did cecilia die could this be her

Name: Cecilia Watson
Birth Date: 11 Jan 1916
Death Registration Month/Year: Mar 1991
Age at death (estimated): 75
Registration district: North Tyneside
Inferred County: Tyne and Wear
Volume: 2
Page: 1082

Please just get the marriage cert rather than all this guessing



marriage again for you to order

Name: Ambrose Watson
Spouse Surname: Burke
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1938
Registration district: Crosby
Registration county (inferred): Merseyside
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 734
Find Spouse: Find Spouse
Cecilia M Burke Watson Jan-Feb-Mar 1938 Crosby Merseyside

ok i will, feel like your telling me off like a school child,would you say these are defintley, there death cert, i think they are, i know my granmother died in tynside,
where do i buy the certs from credits on here, or go to registed building thanks debbie

I was'nt telling you off Debbie I was getting frustrated Wish you had told me where your grandmother died before hand.....So there was no real reason your grandfather would have died in derbyshire then?

I cannot say for certain if its them or not marriage cert will give there ages and fathers names so it will be a good start.

You can purchase it here at £9.25

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

jax

If that is your grandmothers death this could be her birth but until you get the cert there is not a lot of point guessing

Births Mar 1916 (>99%)
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Burke Cecilia Kelly Southam 6d 1521

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Debbie, we too have exchanged a lot of pm's and you keep telling me about who you are looking for but I find it very confusing as you keep changing the names.


The helpers are doing their best for you but you really need to take their advice if you want to find the right people.


Jax has advised you how to get the marriage certificate which will set you on the right path.


Have you been in touch with Gwyn about the Belchamber family as that could be helpful also?



If you come back to this thread when you have got the certificate, someone may be able to help you again. Cx

hi jax, i understand what your saying,sorry to be confuseing,i,m confuseing myself as well an my family, i do appreciate your patience, your 10 hours made me one happy ladie, no you did,nt waist your time, i,m still happy about what you found me, you made me very happy will get marrige cert, an get back to you cheeres x
i did delete also

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/surname_information/burke/thread/1261496

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/history/greatgranparents/thread/1261502