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Elaine
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5 Dec 2010 10:57 |
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Christina Scobbie c1810-1887. Larbert/ Falkirk area. Have gone up many dead ends with this search as there are a few with the same name in the same area. Her parents were James and Mary Scobbie. Christina may have had 2 marriages - firstly to a DUNCAN and then to Francis WRIGHT in 1849. Their daughter Mary Wright was my great grandmother. Would love to know more about Christina and her parents as she sounds like a character! Cheers. Elaine
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5 Dec 2010 11:22 |
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Does this look like her
1841 Scotland Census about Christina Duncan Name: Christina Duncan Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1811 Gender: Female Where born: Stirlingshire, Scotland Civil Parish: Larbert County: Stirlingshire Address: Carron Shone Parish Number: 485 Household Members: Name Age John Duncan 65 Charles Glass 25 Christina Duncan 30 Mary Duncan 20 Archibald Newton 25
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5 Dec 2010 11:23 |
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1851 Scotland Census about Christian Wright Name: Christian Wright Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1811 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name: Francis Wright Gender: Female Where born: Larbert, Stirlingshire Parish Number: 485 Civil Parish: Larbert Town: Nailer Row County: Stirlingshire Address: Nailer Row ED: 4 Page: 27 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 112 Line: 9 Roll: CSSCT1851_102 Household Members: Name Age Francis Wright 32 Christian Wright 40 Catherine Wright 2 Agnes Wright 2 MO
1861 Scotland Census about Agnes Wright Name: Agnes Wright Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Relationship: Daughter Father's name: Francis Wright Mother's name: Christina Wright Gender: Female Where born: Larbert, Stirlingshire Registration Number: 479/1 Registration district: Falkirk Burgh Civil Parish: Falkirk Burgh County: Stirlingshire Address: 15 W.side Bains Occupation: Scholar ED: 10 Household schedule number: 38 Line: 12 Roll: CSSCT1861_64 Household Members: Name Age Francis Wright 39 Christina Wright 44 Catherine Wright 14 Agnes Wright 11 Mary Wright 7 Jane Wright 2
1871 Scotland Census about Christina Wright Name: Christina Wright Age: 56 Estimated birth year: abt 1815 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : Francis Wright Gender: Female Where born: Falkirk, Stirlingshire Registration Number: 479/1 Registration district: Falkirk Burgh Civil Parish: Falkirk Burgh County: Stirlingshire Address: No 1 Black Close ED: 10 Household schedule number: 85 Line: 23 Roll: CSSCT1871_83 Household Members: Name Age Francis Wright 55 Christina Wright 56 Agnes Wright 19 Jane Wright 10
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Elaine
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5 Dec 2010 14:11 |
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Hi Ginny Brilliant! Yes - this all looks like her. I do find the 1841 census entry rather intriguing - all those different ages and surnames in one household - what was going on there I wonder? I have quite a few more gaps to fill in the family tree for relatives who were around before the introduction of the statutory records in 1855 - it's a pity that the earliest census we have is 1841. Anyway, thanks so much for your help. Elaine
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5 Dec 2010 14:35 |
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CHRISTINA MCA. SCOBBIE Pedigree Female Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: JAMES MCCULLOCH Family Marriage: 06 JUL 1860 Larbert, Stirling, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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5 Dec 2010 14:42 |
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In 1841 John Duncan is listed as a farmer, Charles Glass is a preacher and Archibald Newton was an ag lab. So maybe Charles was a visiting preacher
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5 Dec 2010 16:13 |
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I dont know if this helps at all!
1851 Scotland Census about Charles Glass Name: Charles Glass Age: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1815 Relationship: Head Spouse's name: Isabella Glass Gender: Male Where born: Birse, Kincardine Parish Number: 263 Civil Parish: Laurencekirk Town: Laurencekirk County: Kincardineshire Address: Garvock Street Occupation: Fred Chwick Minister ED: 4 Page: 11 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 49 Line: 10 Roll: CSSCT1851_55 Household Members: Name Age Charles Glass 36 Isabella Glass 28 Charles G Glass 3 Elisabeth M Glass 2 James M Glass 3 MO Alexina Lawson 17 Servant
Tracey on TTF does Scotland look ups...
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Elaine
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8 Dec 2010 21:08 |
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K , Ginny and Anne Yes it sounds as though Charles Glass was probably just passing through Carron Shore in 1841, before setting up his own household in his home turf of Kincardineshire. I am intrigued by his occupation as a Fred Chwick Minister - which church would that be? Getting back to Christina Scobbie/ Duncan/ Wright - do you think she (at the age of 30) was married to the 65 year old John Duncan or could she have been married to a son of his who has died? The plot thickens! Elaine
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Helen
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8 Dec 2010 21:13 |
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At a guess, I would suggest Charles Glass was a ... Free Church Minister.
Here is the same census transcribed on Freecen:
Piece: SCT1841/485 Place: Larbert -Stirlingshire Enumeration District: 8 Civil Parish: Larbert Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Larbert Folio: 485 Page: 12 Address: Carronshore
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks DUNCAN John M 65 Farmer Stirlingshire GLASS Charles M 25 Preacher Of God Outside Census County (1841) DUNCAN Christina F 30 Stirlingshire DUNCAN Mary F 20 Unknown NEWTON Archd M 25 Agricultural Labourer Stirlingshire
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Elaine
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10 Dec 2010 19:21 |
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Helen Thanks for the info. I've searched on births for Christina Duncan between 1800 and 1815 but there are only 2 and these occurred in Kirkcudbright and Angus which contradicts her saying she was born in Stirlingshire. So the Christina Duncan on the census acquired the surname Duncan at some point but not at birth. As for marriage to John Duncan - no way. The only John Duncan marriage which took place between 1800 and 1841was in 1816 at which point Christina was only 5 or thereabouts. So I'm going to make the assumption that she was living with John in her capacity as childless widow of a son of his. What a jigsaw puzzle! Elaine
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Catherine
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10 Dec 2010 19:37 |
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This may be the birth of your Christina's daughter Mary.
No Date Surname Forename Parent Names Frame No. S e x Parish City/ County GROS Data Image Extract 1 01/01/1839 DUNCAN MARY ALEXANDER DUNCAN/CHRISTIAN SCOBBIE FR493 LARBERT /STIRLING 485/00 0020 0207
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Name: Mary Duncan Age: 1 Estimated birth year: abt 1840 Gender: Female Where born: Stirlingshire, Scotland Civil Parish: Larbert County: Stirlingshire Address: Carron Shore Parish Number: 485 Household Members: Name Age Alexr Duncan 25 Christina Duncan 25 Mary Duncan 1
I don't know if these are correct but thought I would post them.
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Catherine
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10 Dec 2010 20:49 |
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Parents could be James Scobbie and Mary Mercer.
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Elaine
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11 Dec 2010 21:11 |
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Catherine Thanks so much for the additional info. Oh my goodness - 2 census entries for 1841 both at Carron Shore and involving two different Christina Duncans! Given that the Christina who is married to Alexander Duncan has the correct maiden name, then this would seem to be the right one. Strange though that Christina married Francis Wright in 1849 i.e only 8 years later. What happened to Alexander and Mary? Christina died in 1887 and her death entry shows her father as James Scobbie a merchant seaman - her mother is Mary but I couldn't make out the handwriting for the surname. So can I ask where you found the name Mercer? Any idea where James and Mary came from? I am so grateful for you help and that of the others. Nobody in my tree has cost me so much time, money and trouble as Christina Scobbie. I would love to tie up the loose ends. Cheers. Elaine
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Catherine
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11 Dec 2010 21:33 |
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Difficult to know what happened to Alexander and Mary as registration not until 1855. The reason I highlighted Mary Mercer is IGI has a lot of births in Larbert around the same time. Could not find any other James Scobbie or Mary. Realise it's a bit random.
Catherine
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Elaine
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11 Dec 2010 22:15 |
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Hi Catherine Had a look through the Old Parish records - oddly enough Alexander Duncan married a MARGARET Scobbie in Jan 1839. And none of the James Scobbies who married in the period 1780-1820 in the whole of Scotland were married to anyone with the forename Mary. So frustrating when records don't tie up!!! Maybe James and his daughter wanted to cover their tracks with a shed load of red herrings. I think I maybe need to accept that it's a mystery that will never be solved. Grrrrrrrrrrr. Cheers. Elaine
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Catherine
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11 Dec 2010 22:49 |
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The problem with the Old Parish Records is that not all marriages, indeed births or deaths are recorded. I saw the marriage you mention, although there is no record of the Alexander/Christiina wedding, it doesn't meanit didn't happen.
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Catherine
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11 Dec 2010 23:06 |
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These are posilbilities:
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1 24/01/1843 DUNCAN MARY ALEXR DUNCAN F AIRTH /STIRLING 469/00 0050 0171
1 14/01/1843 DUNCAN ALEXANDER M AIRTH /STIRLING 469/00 0050 0170
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Catherine
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11 Dec 2010 23:15 |
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Mary is the daughter of Alexander in the death records of 1843.
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Elaine
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14 Dec 2010 19:58 |
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Hi Catherine. Thanks for checking this out. That would explain why Mary wasn't on the next census in 1851and why Christina was free to marry Francis Wright in 1849. How tragic. Elaine
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