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I am trying to locate 2 of my grandfathers brothers named Albert & Frederick Malin. I know that they were still in England in the 1901 census and I have been told they were put on a ship to America by their father Michael Malin. I would like to know what year they sailed and what ship they boarded. Any info about Michael Malin would be good also. Albert was born 1892, Frederick was born 1898, both were born in Birmingham/Aston Warwickshire. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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1901 England Census
about Frederic Malin
Name: Frederic Malin
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Elizabeth Malin
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 53
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 112
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Malin 27 (Unmarried??) Yoxall Staffordshire
Albert Malin 9
Frederic Malin 3

1920 United States Federal Census
about Albert Malin
Name: Albert Malin
[Albert Malen]
Home in 1920: Boston Ward 26, Suffolk, Massachusetts
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Year of immigration: 1910
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Leonard Young 23
Aurelia Young 24
Charlotte Young 2
[2 11/12]
Muriel Young 0
[3/12]
Albert Malin 28
Marion Malin 29
Vives Wakefield 21


Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Boston Ward 26, Suffolk, Massachusetts; Roll: T625_741; Page: 1A; Enumeration District: 606; Image: 834.

"Unmarried" looks like an error!!


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Elizabeth Moss
Name: Elizabeth Moss
Spouse: Michael Malin
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Birmingham (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 353

1930 United States Federal Census
about Albert H Malin
Name: Albert H Malin
Home in 1930: Malden, Middlesex, Massachusetts
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Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Marion E Malin
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Albert H Malin 38
Marion E Malin 39
Joan A Malin 1 3/12

Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Malden, Middlesex, Massachusetts; Roll: 923; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 287; Image: 573.0.

His occupaton is stated as a Radio Salesman and this census states his year of immigraion as 1915.

Actually I think the 1920 census immigration year should state 1919 not 1910.

His naturalisation card gives:

Albert Henry Malin
of 365 Washington Street, Brighton, Mass
Born 9 Nov 1891 Birmingham, England
Occ Hotel Steward
Unmarried (Divorced)
Date of Admission 26th Aug 1919
Cert 1240779

Although i think that after checking on Free BMD there was ths Albert Henry born 1891 and then your Albert born 1892. So two different people.

Not seeing any other Albert Malin's of the right age on the US censuses.

Looks like Albert was sent to Canada not America.

1911 Census of Canada
about Albert Malin
Name: Albert Malin
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 21
Birth Date: Feb 1890
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Domestic
Immigration Year: 1907
Tribal: English
Province: Ontario
District: Northumberland East
District Number: 101
Sub-District: Seymour Township, Meyersburg Village
Sub-District Number: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Nelson Poole 41
Joseph Poole 70
Jane Poole 72
Albert Malin 21


Source Citation: Year: 1911;Census Place: Seymour Township, Meyersburg Village, Northumberland East, Ontario. Page 2, Family No: 16.


Name: Albert Malin
Gender: Male
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Date of Arrival: May 1907
Vessel: Carthaginian
Search Ship Database: View the 'Carthaginian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland and Liverpool, England
Roll: T-502

Will work on finding the outward entry! Think he might be mistranscribed. The image from the Canadian side seems to suggest some sort of BIrmingham based children immigration scheme.

Thanks Alexandra, I have been looking for a while but hadn't looked at Canada. As far as I am aware the brothers went together but I can not find any records of this. My great grandmothers maiden name was Moss on the marriage certificate but she found out when she was 72 that her birth certificate states Pettifor. I know she split from her husband and Albert and Frederick were still living with their mother in the 1901 census. I will have a look at the Carthaginian.

Now quite confused as there is a death in Birmingham in 1892 for an Albert Malin aged 0.

So I'm thinking the 1901 census entry may be for Albert Henry Malin born 1891.

Possibly the 1907 trip to Canada is him - but that he then came down to Massachussets from Canada in 1919?

I cannot seem to find him on the UK side - passenger list wise, looked for some of the other kids on the same page as him from the Canadian entry and couldn't find some of them either, but could find some others. All a bit odd but one of the pages isn't working on Findmypast so possibly he is on that one!

Here is his Social Security Death Index entry -

Social Security Death Index
about Albert Malin
Name: Albert Malin
SSN: 021-09-9975
Last Residence: 02166 Auburndale, Middlesex, Massachusetts, United States of America
Born: 9 Nov 1891
Died: Jul 1968
State (Year) SSN issued: Massachusetts (Before 1951)

If MIchael was his father - he died in 1901.

Deaths Mar 1901
Malin Michael 55 Birmingham 6d 12[90

In 1891 MIchael Malin's wife Elizabeth is stated as being born around 1870 in Asbourne, Derbyshire. In 1901 Albert's mother is given as being born around 1874 in Yoxall, Staffordshire. It doesn't state that she is unmarried - it does have 'M' although it looks like a U, but she is down as the Wife of the head of the household, but he isn't at home. She is not stated as a widow, which I would imagine she would be if she was the wife of Michael who looks like he died before the census was taken.

I think that the details on the Canadian passenger arrivals gives the name 'Middlemore' - and found this online.

http://www.birminghampost.net/news/west-midlands-news/2010/02/18/apology-for-the-british-home-children-shipped-to-canada-65233-25864340/

This is the only entry I can find for a Fred* Malin.

Name: Fred K MALIN
Date of departure: 31 May 1904
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Halifax, Canada
Passenger destination: Halifax, Canada
Date of Birth: 1897 (calculated from age)
Age: 7
Marital status:
Sex: Male
Occupation:
Passenger recorded on: Page 4 of 7

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CARTHAGINIAN
T Pickering
Allan Line
Halifax, Canada
9276
2856
170

Corresponding Canadian entry:

Name: Fred Malin
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1897
Date of Arrival: 11 Jun 1904
Vessel: Carthaginian
Search Ship Database: View the 'Carthaginian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-498

Again - with a whole bunch of other children although this time no childrens home or immigration scheme is mentioned.

What was your grandfather's name and where is he on the censuses?

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
about Fred Malin
Name: Fred Malin
Arrival Date: Oct 1922
Age: 23
Birth Date: abt 1899
Birth Country: Canada
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English

Port of Arrival: Calais, Maine, USA

1911 Census

MALIN, Michael Head Married M 64 1847 Laborer Co Mayo Donot Know Town VIEW
MALIN, Elizabeth Wife Married
14 years F 68 1843 Shop Keeper Birmingham VIEW
FLANAGAN, Ellen Step Grand Daughter F 9 1902 Birmingham VIEW
MASTERS, George Boarder M 44 1867 Nickel Mixer Birmingham VIEW

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18266 Reference:
RG14PN18266 RG78PN1101 RD385 SD3 ED36 SN189

Registration District:
Aston Sub District:
Duddeston Enumeration District:
36 Parish:
Aston

Address:
161 Dartmouth ST County:
Warwickshire

(not sure if this Michael fits anywhere)

Chris :)

My grandfathers name was Charles Henry Malin, born 1909, shows up on the 1911 census. but that is where it gets really confusing. After Michael Malin left her she was left destitute, she then became a mistress to and had 6 children with him, but they all were given the name Malin when it should have been Loone. I do not think that Michael died, he just disappeared, so whether he also left the country I don't know. Trust me to have a complicated family.

I don't think they have anything to do with me, Michaels mother was Hannah and Michael was his father. But thanks Chris

Hi Caron

Sorry - but is this them and you mean the head of the household should be Charles Henry Loone?

MALIN, Charles Henry Head Married
10 years M 36 1875 Hawker Birmingham
MALIN, Elizabeth Wife F 36 1875 Press Worker Ashbourne Derbyshire
MALIN, Arthur Samuel Son M 8 1903 School Birmingham
MALIN, William Charles Son M 5 1906 School Bham
MALIN, Marguerita Daughter F 3 1908 School Bham
MALIN, Horace Son M 1 1910 Bham
MALIN, Charles Henry Son M 2 1909 Bham

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18164 Reference:
RG14PN18164 RG78PN1099 RD385 SD1 ED17 SN62

Registration District:
Aston Sub District:
Deritend Enumeration District:
17 Parish:
Aston

Address:
4 Roshven Terrace Highgate Street County:
Warwickshire

Hi Alexandra, yes he was living a double life, he also shows up on the 1911 census as Charles Henry Loone, living with his wife just a few streets away. The information you have found me is fascinating. Thank you.

Caron

Found them both on the Carthaginian,1904. They were put on the same ship through the Middlemore scheme. Found them on a canadian site. Thanks for your help.

Caron

Brilliant Caron - I think the name Malin was very apt to mistrancription!