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Hi. Could anyone please look up any info on internet or Parish records for Nimrod Burton bap. 12 Mar 1748 Hawkhurst, Kent and Joseph Burton (father) and Ann (mother).
Any other information on them would be gratefully received.

Many thanks
Tim

Try the Family Search site including looking at the Pilot Records on there.

I assume you got your information from family search but there is already a problem with year as there are two entries.
Name: Nimrod Burton
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 12 Mar 1749<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Baptism/Christening Place: Hawkhurst, Kent, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Joshua Burton
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I06824-2
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1751870
Reference Number: 177
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Hi Shirley

Many thanks for the reply. I have found the record on Family Search as described, but nothing further. I do not know where to find Pilot Records. Any help?

http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html?datestamp=1201994035790#start

Hi SatNav

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I got info from Family Search and too spotted error, years are different, but actual date the same. Looks like an input error when making the records.
I was trying to find out if there was any other info available, or if someone local went to look up the parish records.
Thanks for your input.

Be careful with dates pre 1752 which was when the calendar changed. They are often written under both years (I googled calendar change 1752 - there's lots of info out there):

"Double Dating
Between 1582 and 1752, not only were two calendars in use in Europe (and in European colonies), but two different starts of the year were in use in England. Although the "Legal" year began on March 25, the use of the Gregorian calendar by other European countries led to January 1 becoming commonly celebrated as "New Year's Day" and given as the first day of the year in almanacs.

To avoid misinterpretation, both the "Old Style" and "New Style" year was often used in English and colonial records for dates falling between the new New Year (January 1) and old New Year (March 25), a system known as "double dating." Such dates are usually identified by a slash mark [/] breaking the "Old Style" and "New Style" year, for example, March 19, 1631/2. Occasionally, writers would express the double date with a hyphen, for example, March 19, 1631-32. In general, double dating was more common in civil than church and ecclesiastical records."


Jill

Jill

Many thanks for the fascinating info. I never new that. It does explain the possible confusion.

Tim

also try


www.beta.familysearch.org



Just a word of warning:-


You have to be VERY careful when using www.familysearch.org records.

There are two kinds ................ EXTRACTED and SUBMITTED

Scroll down to the bottom of the record to see which kind you are looking at.


EXTRACTED records have been taken from the actual registers .... and are subject to the same sort of mistranscription as any other record, but are essentially accurate


SUBMITTED records have been sent in by individuals, usually a member of the LDS church, and are NOT to be trusted. They do not have any backing documentation ....... even if the date of an event looks detailed, you have no idea where it was found.


These Submitted records are very subject to "manipulation" to fit other known facts.


NEVER enter such records onto your tree until and unless you can find documents that substantiate the information given.



The beta.familysearch.org records are allegedly ALL Extracted.




sylvia

Many thanks for reminding me.
Mrs Tinselly Grumpy 2010 (no. 525837)
I doubt I will remember.
Merry Christmas

Hi Sylvia
Many thanks for your message. I have just looked again at the website you suggested andI cannot see whether the source is Extracted or Submitted. They both have a 'source film number'.
In this case I do not think it really matters, as worse things happen, but it would be nice to know which one you think is correct.
Thanks again. Regards
Tim

Cheers SatNav
Merry Christmas too.
Do you think I am going to find out any more?

Hi Tim
It is unlikely that you will find anyone willing to search records but Familysearch library catalogue will tell you what is available and where.
England, Kent, Hawkhurst - Census
England, Kent, Hawkhurst - Church records
England, Kent, Hawkhurst - History
England, Kent, Hawkhurst - Land and property
England, Kent, Hawkhurst - Manors
England, Kent, Hawkhurst - Obituaries
England, Kent, Hawkhurst - Occupations
England, Kent, Hawkhurst - Periodicals
England, Kent, Hawkhurst - Poorhouses, poor law, etc.
England, Kent, Hawkhurst - Taxation
Merry Christmas.

Thanks SatNav.
All the best.

This is another explanation for the way transcriptions are made taken from
http://www.freereg.org.uk/howto/readnumbers.htm#1752

*****Before 1752, the year number changed over on March 25th (Lady day). The year 1752 was the first year that January 1st was the first day of the year.

This gives us a potential little problem when recording dates before March 25th in each year.

If March 25th was the first day of the year, and let's say a couple were married on that day, in 1750. They could quite easily have a baptism of their first child on March 24th 1750 - a year later !

That's our problem. Some genealogists record precisely what is recorded in a parish register. Some record it as written, but didn't realise that in our modern calendar they could actually be referring to a different year. Some genealogists make an allowance and record 5 January 1750 as 5 January 1751 because 1751 is the "real" year in our modern calendar.

The big problem with either, is that we don't know if a genealogist or transcriber has written it literally or made allowance for the modern calendar!

So, the correct standard for writing these dates in our records (and when we transcribe registers) is in the form 1750/1. It is them extremely obvious that 1750 is what was written in the register, but it was really 1751 in the new calendar. 1749/50, 1630/1, 1699/00 etc. Easy! No confusion.

So, for all years up to and including 1751, dates between 1 January and 24 March inclusive, are written with double dates. 23 Jan 1731/2. *****

If Familysearch does not allow for this format, the transcibers may have been instructed to enter the record twice, with the different years.

If the record was on freereg (don't think it is) it would be transcribed as
12 Mar 1748/9

ie - 12 Mar 1748 under the old system with the 1st day of the new year on 25 Mar

12 Mar 1749 under today's system with the 1st day of the new year being 01 Jan.

Tim

the records on www.beta.familysearch are supposed to be ALL extracted


It is the www.familysearch.org site that you have to be very careful about



sylvia

Thanks guys for all the explanations.

Tim