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I am trying to find out the family name who lived at an address in 1911. I'm not very skilled with the 1911 census, to say the least!

The address is URMSTON LODGE, CRUMPSALL, MANCHESTER.

If possible, can you also look for family occupation in the 1901, 1891 and 1881 as well please.

Many thanks - will be back to this later post today. Please don't think I am ignoring in the meantime!

Nicola

Do you have a road name??

Nicola - have had a look on the 1911 and there are 194 streets/addresses in Urmston - Urmston Lodge could be in one of these so need to narrow it down.

There are also 68 streets/addresses in Crumpsall.

Do you have any more info on the address? (That's why you're not meant to scarper after posting!).

Let us know what you have so we can narrow it down.

Sadly not.

I think it must have been a bit out in the country perhaps since the family is listed with ELEVEN servants including a Gardener, Under Gardener, Coachman, etc. So there was probably land around it . . .

Stretford road is the boundary.

In 1851 it is called URMSTON LODGE. In 1861, the entry for the family states FRONT LANE, URMSTON.

But we believe that these are the same addresses, just ten years apart.

Apparently, it was nicknamed 'The Pineapple House' because it had three huge stone pineapples on the gable ends of the roof. Perhaps that name became used in later years ..........? Just a thought.

If you can give the name of the families in 1851 & 1861, might help get a bearing on it.

Have you tried www.urmston.net?

Name of the family was JOHN HENRY LAW and his wife MARY LAW, with their three daughters: MARY CLAYTON LAW, EDITH ELIZABETH LAW and BEATRICE LAW.

Hope this helps?

A big THANK YOU to MarieCeleste for pointing me in the direction of that website.

What a wonderful sight to see the house where the family lived!

How sad that it is buried under carbon monoxide fumes - will we ever learn??

Nicola

1891

SPARROW, Walter Head Married M 29 1862 Home Trade Merchant
Ramsey
Isle of Man VIEW
SPARROW, Mary A Wife Married F 29 1862
Rochdale
Lancashire VIEW
SPARROW, Arthur G Brother Single M 33 1858 Barrister At Law
Bowdon
Cheshire VIEW
SPARROW, Walter G K Son M 4 1887
Lancashire
Lurnton Park VIEW
SPARROW, Richard W Son M 2 1889
Lancashire
Lurnton Park VIEW
SPARROW, Arthur C Son M 0 (6M) 1891
Urmston
Lancashire VIEW
LATHBURY, Clara A Servant Single F 21 1870 Housemaid Domestic Servant
Hanley
Staffordshire VIEW
CONWAY, Harriet L Servant Single F 21 1870 Waitress Domestic Servant
Willenhall
Staffordshire VIEW
WILLIAMS, Maria Servant Single F 31 1860 Cook Domestic Servant
Wolverhampton VIEW
MCIVOR, Gertrude Servant Single F 23 1868 Nurse Domestic Service
Altrincham
Cheshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
3160 Folio:
32 Page:
14

Registration District:
Barton upon Irwell Sub District:
Stretford Enumeration District:
21 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Clements

Civil Parish:
Urmston Municipal Borough:
Address:
Urmston Lodge, Highfield View, Urmston County:
Lancashire

for info

1861 England Census
about John Henry Law Name: John Henry Law
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Law
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Urmston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: solicitor

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Barton Upon Irwell
Sub-registration district: Stretford
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 67
Household Members: Name Age
John Henry Law 49
Mary Law 46
Mary Clayton Law 22
Edith Elizabeth Law 21
Beatrice Law 19
Arthur Law 30
Frank Graham 46
Helena Muller 21
Jane Neale 33
Ellen Acton 48
Sarah Milligan 38
Thomas Thomas 22

Thank you Choccy for the 1891.

We're getting there!

Now can anyone please see the 1911, 1901 and 1881 - PLEASE??

1901 census - address transcription
Address: Urmston Lodge, Stretford Road, Urmston

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation, Disability Where Born

BIRD, John Head Married M 71 1830 Gardener (Not Domestic) Tattenhall Cheshire
BIRD, Sarah Wife Married F 70 1831 Alpraham Cheshire

1n 1911 Urmston Lodge is listed as uninabited

1881 census - address transcription
Address: Urmston Lodge, Stretford Rd, Urmston

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation, Disability Where Born

SPARROW, Christopher Head Married M 59 1822 Hometrade Merchant (Manchr)(Cotton) Hanley Staffordshire
SPARROW, Eleanor Wife Married F 47 1834 Ramsey Isle of Man
SPARROW, Arthur G Son Single M 23 1858 Law Student Bowden Cheshire
SPARROW, Eleanor Daughter Single F 22 1859 Bowden Cheshire
SPARROW, Walter Son Single M 19 1862 Cotton Merchant (Manch R Trade) Altrincham Cheshire
SPARROW, Lucy Daughter Single F 17 1864 Altrincham Cheshire
SPARROW, Olivia Daughter Single F 16 1865 Urmston Lancashire
SPARROW, Beatrice Daughter Single F 11 1870 Urmston Lancashire
SPARROW, Bertha Daughter Single F 9 1872 Urmston Lancashire
SPARROW, Christopher Son Single M 8 1873 Urmston Lancashire
KNEALE, Stanley Nephew Single M 21 1860 Bankers Clerk Ramsey Isle of Man
KNEALE, Edith Niece Single F 18 1863 Ramsey Isle of Man
CHEYNE, Margaret M Housemaid Servant Single F 20 1861 Domestic Serv Waitress Whithon Scotland
SMITH, Kate Servant Single F 25 1856 Domestic Serv Cook Berwick on Tweed Northumberland
YOUNG, Alice Servant Single F 15 1866 Domestic Serv Housemaid Croft Lancashire

Big thank you, Tempest.

Can you please tell me how you sourced it in the 1911?

Many thanks.

you're welcome

I did an address search on 1911 census, using srt* as the street search in Urmston, this gave me the listings for Stretford Road

I guessed that it would be near to number 145 as it was when we looked at the 1901 census

I then looked at the original return for 145 and then at the top of the window clicked on "list" under the box that says "enumerators book details" . This details the houses in the street and head of each house

There it lists Urmston Lodge right between number 145 Stretford Road and Highfield House.

As it was uninhabited there is no "original return" page for the Lodge

hope this makes sense

Thank you again Tempest.

Not sure I could manage that on my own another time, though! I'm very impressed with your knowledge.

Nicola