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I'm new to Scottish ancestors, just about got my head round Scotlands People and spent a lot of money learning and doing things wrong. So hope somebody can help.

James Turley b 1837 Ireland married Bridget Hargeton (Hargiton etc) b 1834 Ireland, on 29 Jan 1856 in Glasgow. His parents Bernard Turley and Elizabeth Cook (surname not entirely clear on the record). Her parents Owen Hargeton and Judith McCask (surname also not entirely clear).

Not sure how the couple came to be in Glasgow, or where their parents were from (presume Ireland or Scotland). Only possible sighting of a parent in Glasgow is in 1851 - Bernard Turley b 1781 Ireland, wife Mary (year of birth unclear, Ireland) and children Cephas (unclear?) b 1836 Ireland and Joseph (slightly unclear) 1839 Glasgow. No James, and mother not Elizabeth. So may be unrelated.

Children of James Turley and Bridget Hargeton, all b Glasgow are Elizabeth 1856, Mary 1858, Catherine 1861 and James Francis 1866. In 1861 there is also a visitor, William Turley b 1847 Roxborough.

Can anybody find this family in 1871 or anywhere else? Who is William Turley? I can't find a birth for him, but before civil registration in Scotland. No record found on parish records either.

Catherine Turley b 1861 married John Allan McDonald b 1861 at some point. No marriage found - could be Scotland or England. In 1891 Catherine is in Dulwwich with children Allan John 1888 and Frederick R 1890. No husband though she is married,

1901 has John Allan, Catherine and Allan John, plus Aunt Catherine Hargeton in Camberwell. No place of birth given for John Allan, and no occupation. They are living with George Henry Whitelock b 1875 Peckam, and his wife Emily Caroline, b 1872 b Isle of Wight. The very strange thing is that in 1911, George Henry Whitelock and Emily Caroline are registered in East Dulwich, and with the same address, but listed separately is Allan John McDonald, age 23, single, and recorded as Son.

Catherine Hargeton dies in 1907 in Camberwell.

No death found for John Allan or Catherine.

There's a lot of stuff to be found here. If you can find only some of it, I'd be grateful.

Madmeg**-1

No replies after an hour? Never experienced that before. Usually the complaint is that the poster has gone away.

Do I need to nudge this? Not sure.

Have found the marriage......

Regards Vera

For Reference.......

1 1856 TOURLEY JAMES HARGETON BRIDGET BRIDGETON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/03 0013

Regards Vera

Can only find James & Bridget on the 1861 census.
No marriage found for Catherine Turley
i know you have Catherine on the 1891 but took a look to see where the children were born and see its not Scotland
MCDONALD, Catherine Wife Married F 28 1863
Scotland VIEW
MCDONALD, Allen J Son M 3 1888
East Dulwich
London VIEW
MCDONALD, Frederic R Son M 0 (2M) 1891
East Dulwich
London VIEW
HARGETON, Catherine Aunt Single F 40 1851
Ireland VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
470 Folio:
32 Page:
55

Registration District:
Camberwell Sub District:
Camberwell Enumeration District:
30 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St John

Civil Parish:
Camberwell Municipal Borough:
Address:
23, Lacon Road, Camberwell, East Dulwich County:
London

Found the birth of Catherine. do you have that already?

Catherine Turley b 3am 6th May 1861 41 Burnside Street ?? very blurred ,Glasgow Father James Turley fruit merchant.mother Bridget Turley nee Hargiton married 29th Jan 1856 Glasgow
reg may 8th by James Turley

Posted anyway as i need to have some tea .not eaten since 2.30pm

Thank you Vera, but I already posted the marriage of James Turley and Bridget Hargeton, with the exact marriage date. I don't usually post queries where I have found the evidence myself.

I had already posted that the McDonalds were in Dulwich in 1891, and the two boys born there, sorry omitted to say that. And CAtherine Hargeton is with them, yes I had that. I have her death.

Shirley, Catherine Turley born 6 May 1861, or did you mean Catherine Hargeton? I have no birthdate for her.

I have all this folks. I was asking about other stuff. Can you help?

Margaret

No meant catherine turley which i posted anyway cos needed to get something to eat!

Yes, Shirl, I had that. That is how I arrived at Catherine Hargeton in the first place. I work backwards in my research. Nobody has tole me anything I didn't already know. I am looking primarily for the marriage of CAtherine Turley to John Allan McDonald. No sign in England. c.1887, London is a possibility.

Margaret

Madmeg,

I posted for reference....name was spelt differently....thought it might help, for other who are helping.

Regards Vera

Scotlands People isnt picking up any marriage for Catherine Turley and John McDonald. have used variants/soundex etc but nothing found.

Oh well, another brick wall.

Anybody any ideas? I am actually up in Scotland (Edinburgh) next weekend. Could a Records Centre be worth a visit?

Margaret.

Hi Margaret
i dont have any experience of Scottish Records centres as no Scottish ,as far as i know, in the family.
Did a google and found this. its rather long but seems helpful

Certificates of Birth, Marriage and Death
The first rule for any genealogical search is to start with yourself and work backwards in time. Your own birth certificate gives your parents' names and the date of their marriage. The marriage certificate gives stated ages which should lead to birth certificates and so on, back to the beginning of compulsory registration in 1855.

These certificates are available in statutory registers for the whole of Scotland in New Register House, Edinburgh , and for local areas in local registry offices. The local registrar also provides a Genealogy Centre at 22 Park Circus, Glasgow , with microfiche of the statutory registers for the area of the former Strathclyde Region, a national computer index covering the period since 1855, an index to the 1891 census and other source material.

Census Returns
1841-1891. They are arranged by addresses within civil parishes. Each entry gives the name, relationship to head of household, age, marital status, occupation and parish of birth. (The 1841 census is not as full as the others.) This enables an approach to be made to the parish registers.

Parish Registers
For members of the Church of Scotland, church registers of baptisms, marriages and burials survive, often from the 17th or 18th centuries. Adherents of the various Scottish secession churches are seldom included in these registers. See A Detailed List of the Old Parochial Registers of Scotland (1872), FH 941 LIS, History and Glasgow Room (HG)

MITCHELL LIBRARY (ML)
Since its opening in 1877 the Mitchell Library has made a point of collecting local material - books, illustrations, maps, photographs and newspapers relating to Glasgow. It has also specialised in Scottish topography and history, particularly clan and family history. In a library the size of the Mitchell there are obviously many books on peripheral areas of study which will be useful to individual searchers. These, along with the sources described in detail, are available to all visitors without formality in the History and Glasgow Room (HG) during the library's opening hours which are:- Monday to Thursday 9.00 a.m. till 8.00 p.m., and Friday and Saturday 9.00 a.m. till 5.00 p.m. Much of the family history material has been gathered together in a separate room adjacent to the History and Glasgow Room. There are a number of microfilm readers available on a 'first come first served' basis.

GLASGOW CITY ARCHIVES (GCA)
The City Archives are also housed in the Mitchell Library. In addition to the records of the former Glasgow Corporation, they contain those of the county councils and parish authorities within the former Strathclyde Region except for Argyllshire and Ayrshire, whose records are in Lochgilphead and Ayr respectively. Burgh records are normally in local libraries. The records of various families and estates in the Glasgow area and a large number of businesses, including firms of solicitors, are also held. Records of particular interest to genealogists include:- the records of the Glasgow incorporations of trades, including membership lists; poor law records, including detailed applications for poor relief to the parishes of Glasgow (from 1851), Barony (from 1861) and Govan (from 1876), and a number of other parishes from various dates until 1948; the burgess rolls for Glasgow (printed to 1846, but continuing in manuscript thereafter, with indexes); records of hundreds of schools, often including admission registers, in a few cases dating from the 1860s; estate records with information about tenants; registers of some local government employees, notably the police; business records, in some cases including information about employees; and kirk session records for churches in Glasgow presbytery. There is a general card index of persons, places and subjects, but it is in progress and many collections are not yet included. An indexed textbase is available for the deposited collections. Applications for poor relief to the Glasgow and Lanarkshire poor law authorities have been indexed to 1900 and other similar indexes are in progress. Opening hours are:- Monday to Thursday 9.30 a.m. till 4.45 p.m., Friday 9.30 a.m. till 4.00 p.m. and at other times by prior arrangement.

Well, one Susan French, who I have not encountered before, has found this, which she has PMd to be, not being allowed to post on the threadm and which seems to be to very significant:

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1949
about John A Mcdonald
Name: John A Mcdonald
Spouse Name: Catherine Turley
Marriage Date: 1887
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: St Leonards, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1887
Registration Number: 3422

Anybody know how I go about finding details of this marriage. Australia is new to me.

Thanks, Susan.

Do replies still work on here? Give it a whirl.

The marriage that Susan found seems worth a shot, so I've send for the cert. I already know Catherine Turley's parents, so hopefully it will confirm I have the right pair.

I have committed the mortal sin of posting this on two threads, so will delete one completely in due course.