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Astra, it's actually glasses of white wine and keyboards that don't mix well. I've ruined a few, which is why I buy Tesco keyboards costing £3.99.

I think we are stuck with John Davies, and I'm sad cos he is "only" my gg grandfather, and I know all about him once he moved to Glossop. I have photos of his house, his place of work, I know where he is buried. Some of his step children went to the USA and became pioneers in the Paper business. I've got photos of all his ancestors. He's a real important person to me.

And his grandson, my grandad, whom I knew very well, was an ameteur pianist of extraordinary talent, and I just want to find his grandad.

But I think we are at the dead end.

Love

Margaret

Ah No. Don't do that. Computers and tears don't mix well. I'm going to be a little pressed for free time today but I will take another look around later to see what I can find for you.
Never give up! There is an answer out there somewhere. We just have to find it.

Astra, tried the grandson with Flintshire Records. They have several, none that fit properly. However, they are prepared to search further. Stars reign supreme!

I'll never find him, methinks. I could cry!

Margaret

I like this Peter and Ann, cos amongst the many birth certs I have for John Davies b 1840, is one with parents Peter and Ann (nee Vaughan). I have never found this couple with a son John, but maybe a grandson John.......son of John?

I take your point, John and Margaret have Llewellyn b Mar Qtr 1876. Maybe the fact that John had two women pregnant at the same time was the cause of the breakdown of the marriage. Hey ho, who knows?

Worth a try I think. The only thing that bothered me about it was the date of birth. John and Margaret had a child born in 1875/6 so unless John's (Grandson) age is transcribed wrongly it would be a bit of a tight squeeze. But stranger things have happened. I couldn't find John in1891. Not with any certainty anyway.

Astra, I am going for your 1881 grandson, John, born 1876. Will try for the grandson's birth.

Scores to go at, so I will try the local register office at Hoywell.

Get back when I have info.

Margaret

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Margaret Fish Name: Margaret Fish
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Stockport
County: Cheshire, Lancashire
Volume: 8a
Page: 36 (click to see others on page)

For info:

There are children from the first marriage of Margaret, to Richard Fish, and children from her marriage to John Davies.

1871 England Census
about Margeret Fish Name: Margeret Fish
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Richard Fish
Gender: Female
Where born: Ribchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Glossop
Ecclesiastical parish: Whitfield
Town: Glossop
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Hayfield
Sub-registration district: Glossop
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 78
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Fish 33
Margeret Fish 32
John Thomas Fish 9
James Fish 7
William Fish 6
Alexander Fish 3
Albert Fish 4 Months


1881 England Census
about Margaret Davies Name: Margaret Davies
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John Davies
Gender: Female
Where born: Ribchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Glossop Dale
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street address: Wilsons Terrace
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hayfield
Sub-registration district: Glossop
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Davies 40
Margaret Davies 42
John Thos. Fish 19
James Fish 17
William Fish 16
Alexander Fish 13
Annie Fish 8
Llewelyn Davies 5
Margaret Davies 3

You're welcome

No, Thankyou Astra for telling me.

Regards Vera

Thank you Vera

I cannot find John, Mary and children in 1881. There are several deaths which could be her it's very difficult to pinpoint any one.

1841 ?????

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DAVIES, Elizabeth F 70 1771 Flintshire
DAVIES, Mary F 35 1806 Flintshire VIEW
DAVIES, Peter M 30 1811 Flintshire VIEW
DAVIES, Anne F 30 1811 Flintshire VIEW
DAVIES, John M 5 1836 Flintshire VIEW
DAVIES, Maria F 3 1838 Flintshire VIEW
DAVIES, William M 0 (5 months) 1841 Flintshire VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1407 Book/Folio:
22/7 Page:
8

Registration District:
Holywell Sub District:
Whitford Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Whitford Municipal Borough:
Address:
Nant, Whitford, Eden Owen County:
Flintshire


Regards Vera

To match the names to the marriage it looks as though he could have married Mary Oldfield in 1867 Holywell Volume 1b page 473

Her birth was 1843 in Holywell

Births Jun 1843
OLDFIELD Mary Holywell 27 229

This is 1861. I think it is the same person as in the 1871 I posted

JONES, Elizabeth Head Widow F 74 1787 Miners Widow
Halkin
Flintshire VIEW
JONES, Thomas Grandson Unmarried M 11 1850 Scholar
Halkin
Flintshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Robert Boarder Married M 34 1827 Joiner
Henllan
Denbighshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Anne Visitor Widow F 68 1793
Llannefydd
Denbighshire VIEW
DAVIES, John Boarder Unmarried M 25 1836 Stone Mason
Halkin
Flintshire VIEW


Civil Parish:
Halkin Municipal Borough:
Address:
Pen Y Bryn, Halkin County:
Flintshire

There is also this which I found earlier. Could be his father.

DAVIES, Peter Head Married M 65 1816 Quarryman
Llanasa
Flintshire
Wales VIEW
DAVIES, Ann Wife Married F 63 1818 Wife
Ireland VIEW
DAVIES, Joh Grand Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Llanasa
Flintshire
Wales VIEW


Civil Parish:
Llanasa Municipal Borough:
Address:
Talacre Lodge, Llanasa County:
Flintshire

This is a possibility for 1871. His wife was born in Llanasa but his birth place is noted as Halkyn. He is a Stone mason. But as you well know looking for the name Davies in Wales is like looking for a needle in a hay stack.
May be someone else will pick this up now as I have to get to work for a few hours.

DAVIES, John Head M 33 1838 Flintshire VIEW
DAVIES, Mary Wife F 28 1843 Flintshire VIEW
DAVIES, Mary A Daughter F 3 1868 Flintshire VIEW
DAVIES, Thomas Son M 0 1871 Flintshire VIEW
AINSWORTH, Mary Elen Niece F 4 1867 Lancashire VIEW


Civil Parish:
Lygan Y Llan Municipal Borough:
Address:
Pen Y Bryn, Lygan Y Llan County:
Flintshire

are those children definately with the 2nd wife or could they be from his first marriage?

First appears on the 1881 census in Glossop, Derbyshire, born 1841 in N Wales, Flint, with second wife Margaret b 1839 in Ribchester, Lancashire. I have a full history of her, it is John who is "missing". This couple married in Dec 1890, both widowed. I know that is true of Margaret. But by 1890 they had 3 children together, the eldest 16 years old. They married in Stockport, Cheshire, not locally, I assume to hide the fact that they weren't already married from neigbours.

On marriage John is a Stone Mason, as he is in 1881 and subsequently, and his father is named as Peter Davis, Quarryman.

In 1891, he states he is born Llanasa, Flintshire.

I cannot find a John Davies in Flintshire with a father Peter, a Quarryman. I cannot find a first marriage for him.

Can you help please?