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Looks like i will go ahead with getting the birth certificate Folks, thank you all for all your wonderful help Bren

Sorry i thought i put that Sarah was born in Norfolk and William born inSomerset. sorry i also got you mixed up with Fanny gaslight. im going daft in my old age Bren

im sorry i dont know what the j stands for Fanny by Gaslight thank you kindly for the info Bren Did you find the marriage did they get married in 1861

no not yet Patricia

1842 -1843 Marie

Looks like son's birth
Mother's maiden name will be on the certificate

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Births Mar 1861 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MASTERS William James - Newington 1d 191

From Beta-familysearch

Groom's Name William Quantock Masters
Bride's Name Sarah Morley
Marriage Date 06 May 1860
Marriage Place St. Mary, Surrey, England
Groom's Father's Name Joseph Masters
Bride's Father's Name James Morley

They also have it as this

08 Apr 1860

My thoughts are that it would be best to get a childs birth cert for mothers maiden name for sure on this one..

Any thoughts?

William Quantock Masters
Spouse: Sarah Morley
Marriage: 08 APR 1860 Lambeth, Surrey, England

Marriages Dec 1860 (>99%)
Gillingham John Woodbridge 4a 1345
Herring Sarah Woodbridge 4a 1345
Manning Benjamin Woodbridge 4a 1345
Smith Hannah Woodbridge 4a 1345

Looks like it was wrong page. Matches that Manning marriage.

And it appears to be in the wrong place Selina as it is in Italics?
Could be it SISEL.

Oh
Thats a shame.

There is a missing groom on this one

Marriages Dec 1860
Clover Sarah Plomesgate 4a 1395
Herring Sarah Woodbridge 4a 1395
Mayhew William Plomesgate 4a 1395


ooh forget that it might be this one

SARAH HERRING
Spouse: BENJAMIN MANNING Family
Marriage: 26 NOV 1860 Nacton, Suffolk, England

on 1881 Alice is 6 weeks old,born Mile End.
So this birth will give you mothers maiden name for sure

Births Jun 1881
MASTERS Alice Kate Mile End 1c 511

Or Henrietta who was 8 months on 1871?

Births Sep 1870
MASTERS Henrietta St. Saviour 1d 67

Similarly, no William Masters born 1861 in Norfolk.

On the 1871 in Surrey, Sarah is born in Norfolk - is that where the confusion has arisen?

1861in Surrey,not Norfolk?

MASTER, William Head Married M 24 1837 Wood Turner
Somerset
MASTER, Sarah Wife Married F 20 1841
Norfolk
MASTER, William Son Unmarried M 0 (3M) 1861
Surrey

Registration District:
Newington Sub District:
1 Trinity Newington Enumeration District:
6 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Trinity

Civil Parish:
Newington Municipal Borough:
Address:
7, Cole Street, Newington County:
London, Surrey

On 1871 William senior has a J as middle initial,what does it stand for please?

Have you got a birth certificate for one of the children, with Mother's maiden name on it?
Thanks

Hello Brenda, what is Sarah's year of birth and birthplace from the census?

I'm not seeing a marriage on FreeBMD.

Trying to find a Marriage for William Masters b 1837 b Kingsbury Somerset. and a Sarah. his wife. no maiden name hoping that it is Herring. The family are on the 1861 Census in Dss Norfolk with one child William three months old. and then on 1871 Census living in Lambeth withChildren William 10 Charles George Joseph and Henrietta. Cant find the marriage. in 1881 they are in Tower Hamlets Mile end old town. In the in 1891 Sarah is with her two daughters Rose and Maude in Bow Stratford. Appreciate any help please with the marriage and wifes maiden name. Brenda