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Did Etienne marry 1881 to Johanna Caroline Theodora Saegert born 1855 Strand london or Anna Maria Peabody?

Maryb

Yes Flick I see it now on death reg,1901 must have his year of birth wrong.

Maryb

Edme Gustave was aged 31 in 1861.....and Etienne is listed as 'son'

Hi Flick and brummiejan

Boy Oh boy have you given me somethng to think about!!
I hope I can fathom the relationships out

Thanks a lot

Chris

1891 Kentish town D 39 > 16
Caroline Girardot wife 1852 born St james
Annie Rachel Allam step daughter ?
Ivy Caroline Girardot 1878.
1901 Kentish town D 19 > 70
Edwin Girardot ? Artist born france 1840 it isn't Edwin when you look at original
Caroline girardot 1852 st James
Ivy Girardot 23 = 1878.it says Try instead of Ivy!!

Edme Gustave Girardot arrived in London 1851.

I'am thinking that Caroline Isabella Amy married Alfred Allam they had Albert Henry Allam 1871 Annie Rachel 1872/3 and Caroline's husband died and by 1891 she is down as Caroline Girardot.Had daughter Ivy Caroline Girardot 1878.

Relation between Etienne 1856 and Edme 1840 is unknown at the moment.

Maryb

Looks like them Flick, nice one. I think Christine will be in for a shock when she sees this lot!
Jan

Only one marriage on freebmd for Louisa BetZy

Marriages Jun 1860 (>99%)
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GILBERT Rebecca Pancras 1b 241
Salmon James Pancras 1b 241
Vieusseu_ Louisa Betzy Pancras 1b 241

The 'other' male has not been transcribed

So......perhaps she was not the mother of Etienne and Angelo

EDIT:

Louisa's 'other half', I would imagine

GIRARDO_ Edme Gustave Pancras 1b 2[90]1

Relating to marriage above:

1911

ALLAM, Alfred Henry Head Married M 40 1871 Journalist London Islington VIEW
ALLAM, Beatrice Wife Married
9 years F 28 1883 Lewes Sussex VIEW
ALLAM, Edward Walter Son M 8 1903 London St Pancras VIEW
GIRARDOT, Caroline Isabel A Mother Widow F 59 1852 London St Jamas VIEW
GIRARDOT, Ivy Caroline Half-Sister Single F 33 1878 Clerk London St Pancras VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2134 Reference:
RG14PN2134 RG78PN73 RD25 SD5 ED35 SN27

Registration District:
Lambeth Sub District:
Norwood Enumeration District:
35 Parish:
Lambeth

Address:
55 S Croxted Road Dulwich County:
London

Deaths Mar 1908 (>99%)
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GIRARDOT Louisa Betzy 74 Brentford 3a 92

Deaths Mar 1911 (>99%)
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Girardot Edme G 80 Brentford 3a 84


Is this a son?

Marriages Jun 1908 (>99%)
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ALLAM Caroline Isabella A Strand 1b 1126
Davy William B[ou]rnard Strand 1b 1126
DAVY William Burnand Strand 1b 1126
GIRARDOT Edme Gustave Strand 1b 1126
KEY Irene Rose Strand 1b 1126

I see Hypathia - note the 1891 with grandson Etienne.
Jan

1901 for Louisa....etc!

Name: Gustave E Girardot
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation: Grandson
Mother's name: Hypathia L Girardot
Gender: Male
Where born: Fulham, London, England

Civil Parish: Ealing
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Ealing
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England


Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 148
Household Members: Name Age
Louisa B Girardot 67 'Married'
Hypathia L Girardot 37 'Single'
Gustave E Girardot 18
Hanley A Herbert 1 Grandson


Thanks, Jan........but I was riding on your 'wings'

Brilliant too Flick - couldn't find this at all! Just shows what a bit of teamwork can achieve ...

Def. Etienne on image.

Based on Jan's super detective work.........is this 1861?

Name: Angelo Gerrard
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Father's name: Edme Gustone Gerrard
Mother's name: Louise B Gerrard
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, London, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Regent Park St Mark
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Regents Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Edme Gustone Gerrard 31
Louise B Gerrard 27
Ellenore Gerrard 4 SON
Angelo Gerrard 2
Lucy Binning 31
Muna Chaney 22

Christine, as you have access to census reports, I suggest you check out image for the 1871 above. I think relationships are impossible to sort out. Birth cert might be called for!

EDIT Why, thanks Flick. Quite proud of it if I say so myself!

Jan

Brilliant find, Jan..............

Seems that Charles is unlikely to have been his father..........

Name: Charles Hippolyte E Girardot
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Marylebone (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 1064
Elizabeth Tarrant

1871

Name: Charles H C Gerardot
[Charles H C Girardot]
[Charles H C Girardot]
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizth Gerardot
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Regent
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Household schedule number: 265
Household Members: Name Age
Charles H C Gerardot 34
Elizth Gerardot 25
Chas R Gerardot 2

If I'm right, this is his brother:

Births Mar 1859 (>99%)
GIRARDOT Angelo Vieusseux Pancras 1b 152

I think this is him mis-transcribed. Original says age 14, son, born Marylebone, scholar.:

1871 England Census
about Elaine G E Geraidat
Name: Elaine G E Geraidat
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Servant
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Hampstead St John
Ecclesiastical parish: South Hampstead St Saviour
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Hampstead
Sub-registration district: Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 216
Household Members:
Name Age
Hugo Bergmann 29
Anna Bergmann 22
Ella Bergmann 8 Months
Louisa Beer 74
Gustav A Kottgan 76
Emma Wallington 19
Marie Eberlin 19
Elaine G E Geraidat 16
Angelo Geraidat 12
Alfred C Geraidat 8
Mary A Chancy 32
Mary A Gibson 35

POSSIBLE marriages for parents


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Marriages Mar 1852 (>99%)
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Collins Maria Anna Marylebone 1a 666
Girardot James Gustave Marylebone 1a 666
Girardot * Eustaue Marylebone 1a 666
Grandmour Marie Henriette L R Marylebone 1a 666
Grandmour Marie Henriette Lozenza de Rossignol Marylebone 1a 666
Roth Mathias Marylebone 1a 666
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Marriages Dec 1856 (>99%)
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Devereux Eliza Marylebone 1a 667
Galilee Jessie Marylebone 1a 667
Girardot Charles Hippolyte Edmond Marylebone 1a 667
Rivers George William Marylebone 1a 667